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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmodc
    Thanks! I counted down the days until I received mine- it took about a little over a month. I hear business has been pretty good for Peter these days.. I wonder why?

    Given my riding needs I decided to go low-key on the specs. I ordered a Nexus 8spd internal hub, Sun CR-18 rims, Apex fenders and a rack.

    I'll definitely post a collage when I've got it unpacked.
    Finals are over, the weather is cooperating, so today was the big day...

    I'm a newbie's newbie. I hadn't ridden a bike in about 10 years (I'm 25 now) when I bought a barely used Trek 700 a little over a month ago, but the idea of owning a folding bike really appealed to me (and seemed to make sense as I live in a small apartment and I take public transportation most of the time). I knew I would eventually buy one because this forum was the one I read religiously when I first discovered this site. I mostly drooled over the Raleigh Twenty, but I'm wholly unequipped to start on a 'project' bike.

    I'm a grad student who plans on biking to class about 3 miles round-trip to and from school, and given my inexperience, and the fact that I live in an urban area, I wanted an internal hub to keep things simple.

    The Swift was easy to assemble out of the box, and even easier to fold. The ride was, in one word, FUN. I stayed on mostly flat ground, but found shifting and braking to be smooth. The bike seemed solid in my opinion (though again, my perspective is limited), and I didn't have a problem steering at all. I'm barely over 5'2" and found the bike to be comfortable.

    I'm now looking forward to getting to know my Swift and finding new ways to spend my student loans. It was great talking to Peter about what I needed, and he definitely delivered. I'd highly recommend the Swift to anyone!

    Oh, and before I forget, I want to thank all of the members of this forum in advance - I'm sure I'll have tons of questions as I get used to my new ride, and you all have been more than helpful already.

    (please excuse the slapdash pics)
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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmodc
    Finals are over, the weather is cooperating, so today was the big day...

    The Swift was easy to assemble out of the box, and even easier to fold. The ride was, in one word, FUN. I stayed on mostly flat ground, but found shifting and braking to be smooth. The bike seemed solid in my opinion (though again, my perspective is limited), and I didn't have a problem steering at all. I'm barely over 5'2" and found the bike to be comfortable.

    (please excuse the slapdash pics)
    You are making me jealous. I am so anxiously awaiting my Swift that it is almost intolerable now. Your bike looks sweet cosmodc! You aren't kidding about your height either. I looked at your saddle level and good thing the bike isn't any taller!

    I too agree that Peter is great to work with. He is just really backed up now. Anyway congrats on the new ride! I hope you enjoy it and get lots of use out of it.

    Let me know how you like the fenders. Are those the ones Peter is using now?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    You are making me jealous. I am so anxiously awaiting my Swift that it is almost intolerable now. Your bike looks sweet cosmodc! You aren't kidding about your height either. I looked at your saddle level and good thing the bike isn't any taller!

    I too agree that Peter is great to work with. He is just really backed up now. Anyway congrats on the new ride! I hope you enjoy it and get lots of use out of it.

    Let me know how you like the fenders. Are those the ones Peter is using now?

    Thanks!
    Hey Wavshrdr- Sorry I'm making you jealous! I managed to remain busy while waiting for mine, so now that I have it, the Swift and I have been outside a few times today (no comments from passengers in my apartment building's elevator... yet).

    I didn't specify a fender brand when I ordered my bike, so it came with ones made by Apex, which are similar to these here.

    I'll keep you updated on how they perform.
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    Hey, those are really nice Apex fenders...totally different design from the ones I got! They are clearly not the standard 20" Apex fenders like these:

    http://www.universalcycles.com/shopp...&category=1796

    Compare to the Apex fitted on my Swift: swift folders You can see why they didn't work at all in my application.

    They look totally custom-made for your Swift. I'm curious if these are the standard 26" Apex fenders. I wonder if these are the ones that Karl was talking about making available as a factory Xootr accessory...

    Here is my Swift with the Freddy Fenders installed:
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    Oh man...I sent an email this morning to Xootr inquiring about a single-speed replacement wheel. Less than 6 hours later, I got a reply from the legendary Peter himself. He said he has a rear wheel with a single 14T cog for $55. Awesome! Gonna order one.

    Weird...it feels like I just met Elvis or something.

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    Fender fender Fenders everywhere and I can't make up my mind now which to go with!

    Cosmodc fenders from Peter look Bad A$$ in a punk cool way.

    James Swift's fenders are sort of retro funky cool with a pinch of Euro style.

    Dare I say it but the Freddy Fender's on James' look too tame if I go with a black powdercoated Swift. If I go with the green powdercoated Swift then I'll go with the ones like Cosmodc has. Although I'll hold off to see how they do in rain. If they do a decent job then I am leaning toward the Csomodc version. I think though if I shortened the rear on the Freddy's I'd like it a bit better. It looks too much like a German frau's bike. No offense intended James plus I might need that mounting hole for other plans I have too.

    Decisions...decisions but I am glad to have choices! Thanks for the pics!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    It looks too much like a German frau's bike.


    Actually, the tail of the rear fender is capped with the same mudgaurd as on the front. I lopped it off with some poultry scissors so that the bike would fold properly (as recommended by Karl), and not look so "frau".

    I think Cosmodc's Apex fenders are killer. They would be a cinch to install and remove, and they don't have the steel side-support arms. It's just a matter of how they actually perform in wet weather. Maybe we can have Cosmodc flood his driveway with a garden hose and run the Swift through it a few times and report back to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by james_swift


    Actually, the tail of the rear fender is capped with the same mudgaurd as on the front. I lopped it off with some poultry scissors so that the bike would fold properly (as recommended by Karl), and not look so "frau".

    I think Cosmodc's Apex fenders are killer. They would be a cinch to install and remove, and they don't have the steel side-support arms. It's just a matter of how they actually perform in wet weather. Maybe we can have Cosmodc flood his driveway with a garden hose and run the Swift through it a few times and report back to us.
    I was thinking the water test would be useful too. I can't test in rain here at the moment, only snow! But even then fenders are essential; maybe even more so. Bottom line for me though if the fenders don't fend off the slop, I am not putting them on. So I'd rather be "frau" than have a reverse skunk stripe on my clothes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james_swift
    I think Cosmodc's Apex fenders are killer. They would be a cinch to install and remove, and they don't have the steel side-support arms. It's just a matter of how they actually perform in wet weather. Maybe we can have Cosmodc flood his driveway with a garden hose and run the Swift through it a few times and report back to us.
    Cosmodc will test her Apex fenders out shortly and get back to you all. Unfortunately, Cosmodc lacks a driveway and a garden hose, but she'll find a way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james_swift
    Maybe we can have Cosmodc flood his driveway with a garden hose and run the Swift through it a few times and report back to us.
    Woops...sorry...my bad...change that to "her".

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    Quote Originally Posted by james_swift
    Woops...sorry...my bad...change that to "her".
    I was thinking "her" when I parsed her name; Cosmo DC. I didn't want to assume anything or appear sexist.

    Anyway I'll be anxiously waiting to hear about the fender testing. Such a little thing can make such a huge difference on the quaility of the biking experience. Its good to seem people of all sexes on Swifts and its nice to see people taking the time to customize their rides.

    Cosmodc- maybe you could ride through a car wash... <JK> Peter said the frames are back from being powdered coated and I need to decide between BA black or John Deere green. Tough choice since the black is definitely sweet but if I go with JD green, it will definitely be unique and with the frau fenders it could sort of be a retro cool looking ride and have some nice contrast going on. Of course MIB black all the well like Cosmodc would definitely be sweet as well. I have to consider the Wipperman SS chain too. Against a black backdrop it would really standout too. Heck, I should just buy an extra frame and swap them out as needed... No wait, why stop there, I'll just buy one in each color!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    Its good to see people of all sexes ...
    Errr yes... all, um, 2? Unless there's something my parents neglected to tell me

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wavshrdr
    No wait, why stop there, I'll just buy one in each color!
    The black frame is pretty sweet, Wavhshdr, but the green sounds awesome as well.

    I'm thinking that a self-proclaimed junkie can't be satisfied with just one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by james_swift
    Here is my Swift with the Freddy Fenders installed:
    Hey James, what's up with the black ... is it electrical tape? Are you protecting the frame from damage, trying to make it look less enticing for thieves, or just fond of black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwarterlb
    Hey James, what's up with the black ... is it electrical tape? Are you protecting the frame from damage, trying to make it look less enticing for thieves, or just fond of black?
    There are 2 types of trains in CalTrain's commute fleet...essentially, the old, rickety trains with 32-bike capacity per bike car, and the newer "bullet" style trains with air suspension, and only 16-bike capacity per bike car. On the newer trains, I can fold my Swift and bungee-cord it to the "end-caps" of the bike racks, well away from any other bikes. On the older trains, there's no place for me to store my bike folded, so I need to rack it up alongside the rest of the bikes. As a result of being "dog-piled" on by these legacy "fixed-frame-huge-wheeled" machines built on technology dating as far back as the early 1800's (or is it 1700's?), my once pristine frame now looks like it's been attacked by a pack of pit bulls, gouged and scratched by various components such as steel pedal cages, derailleurs, quick-release levers, chainrings, you name it. By placing black electrical tape in strategic areas of my frame that come in contact with other bikes (built on legacy technology), it offers a good degree of defense against scratches, gouges, and bites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yangmusa
    Peter told me this too, however I have since found this page with a picture of a Swift with a triple on the front! I have been meaning to email and ask Peter about it; Hmm I should do it now while I remember! I'll let you know what the answer is...
    Ok, I got two follow-ups from Peter:


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Reich
    There are two issues with the front derailleur- the first is that it can get in the way of your hand when holding the folded bike, and is somewhat vulnerable to getting knocked out of adjustment. The second issue is that the angle of the derailleur cage to the chainline is pitched too far forward, as the axle is 3" lower in relation to the bottom bracket, even though the seat tube is canted at a "normal" 72 degrees. I've always had derailleur cage/chain clearance/shifting problems in the extreme gear combinations because of this, and recommend the simplicity of the Sram dual-drive with a single (smaller) front chainring for those looking for wide-range gearing.
    I wrote back that we had speculated that the larger diameter aluminium frame might make it hard, to which he replied:


    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Reich
    It's also true that the larger diamenter of the alloy frame seatpost makes a custom derailleur mounting bracket necessary, which would present the ideal circumstance to address the angle issue. If only the practicality of the setup were greater, and the demand were higher... Maybe as more Xootr/Swifts are sold, the volume will justify the need.
    (BTW - I ok'd it with Peter before reposting his replies..)

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    Hi. I just thought I'd mention that my blue Xootr Swift arrived today. In its unassembled state it looks really great, and I'll post pictures as soon as I put it together. It will get a longer stem, bar ends, fenders, a new saddle and pedals. Thank so much to everyone on this forum. The information you gave was very helpful and influentional in my getting a Swift.
    Jonathan

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanG
    Hi. I just thought I'd mention that my blue Xootr Swift arrived today. In its unassembled state it looks really great, and I'll post pictures as soon as I put it together. It will get a longer stem, bar ends, fenders, a new saddle and pedals. Thank so much to everyone on this forum. The information you gave was very helpful and influentional in my getting a Swift.
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    Welcome to the Swift fold...glad you could join us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yangmusa
    Errr yes... all, um, 2? Unless there's something my parents neglected to tell me
    Actually... it depends on what language you speak and how you define sex. In German and Russian for example, there is a neuter gender (sex). I am sure you have met some people like that. Then of course I won't even get into those that have crossed over...

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    Quote Originally Posted by james_swift
    There are 2 types of trains in CalTrain's commute fleet...essentially, the old, rickety trains with 32-bike capacity per bike car, and the newer "bullet" style trains with air suspension, and only 16-bike capacity per bike car. On the newer trains, I can fold my Swift and bungee-cord it to the "end-caps" of the bike racks, well away from any other bikes. On the older trains, there's no place for me to store my bike folded, so I need to rack it up alongside the rest of the bikes. As a result of being "dog-piled" on by these legacy "fixed-frame-huge-wheeled" machines built on technology dating as far back as the early 1800's (or is it 1700's?), my once pristine frame now looks like it's been attacked by a pack of pit bulls, gouged and scratched by various components such as steel pedal cages, derailleurs, quick-release levers, chainrings, you name it. By placing black electrical tape in strategic areas of my frame that come in contact with other bikes (built on legacy technology), it offers a good degree of defense against scratches, gouges, and bites.
    That is one of the main reasons I went with a Swift from Peter and not a Xootr (though I love the company). I wanted my frame to be powdercoated and not painted. Powdercoating is a much more durable finish. I have had much better success with powdercoating than even the highest quality paints.

    At long last my Swift is nearing completion. I have decided to go with the green rather than black. I asked for yellow decals to be a better contrast and white. I decided to go with the "frau" style fenders as I think it will look a little cooler as I am looking for a little retro look to go with the paint color. The green/black contrast should be sort of an understated elegance if all goes as planned. Hopefully I didn't really muck it up!

    It will either be freakin' gorgeous or hideous! Might as well be the best at being either good or bad. Maybe about a week to wait...unfortunately not in time for Christmas but maybe by New Years!

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    I finally found time to tear-apart the rear hub and figure-out why the hub has been grinding all of a sudden after only 700 miles: in a word...RUST.

    The drive-side was fine, however, the non-drive side of the hub was full of brownish-red grease mixed with water. The difference in the condition of the bearings pretty much tell the tale. The cup on the non-drive side was corroded, but I managed to clean it up. You can still see the tarnish marks in the cup races and rust in the upper lip of the cup where the dust cap is pressed.

    Hopefully a new set of bearings and some waterproof synthetic grease will get things rolling smoothly again.

    UPDATE: I picked-up a set of 18 x 1/4" replacement ball bearings from my local PerformanceBike shop for 10 cents each, threw them in the hub along with some fresh grease, slapped the whole thing back together and all is good again. Better than new, actually.

    HINT: Keep the non-drive side of your hub dry...wipe it down after every wet ride. "Sealed bearings" have a silly way of actually sealing water IN the bearings, instead of out.
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    Hello All

    Well, I have changed quite a few things on my Swift in a quest for a folding cyclocross/road bike, and I thought I would share the results and a couple of images.

    Changes:

    Ritchey Pro Drop Bar (44cm)
    Thomson Elite Stem (140 mm, 10 degree, flipped for higher bar position)
    Saddle (Selle Italia Flite)
    Pedals (Crank Brothers Candy Sl in Black)
    Shifter (Shimano bar-end 8 speed)
    Rear Derailleur (Shimano XT, Mid-Cage, required since SRAM will not index with bar-end)
    Avid Rollermajig
    Tires (Scwalbe Marathon Slicks for road and Intense BMX 1.5 for trail)
    Wheels (32 Hole XT Hubs laced to Velocity Aeroheat rims)

    That is all for now, but my remaining To-Do list includes:

    1. Water bottle attachment (Minoura twin rail saddle mount looks promising)
    2. Crank upgrade (I have an older Ultegra octalink in my parts bin...may upsize the chainring to 55-56 range).
    3. Ultegra bottom bracket.
    4. I may re-lace the stock rims with either a single speed rear (Surly flip-flop fixed/free) or make them into a dedicated road set of wheels (105 or Ultegra hubs...once again, I know I have a set of one of those in my parts bin).
    5. Work on a packing solution (I am looking into a hard Pelican case).
    6. Attach some aero-bars (I have a set of Profile Design Jammer GTs which should fit the bill).

    With all of the above changes, if I were to do this again, obviously it would be better to just get a frame from Peter Reich or have him build it to those specifications.

    So the end question, is was all of the changing worthwhile. First, I start with the fact that I am a gear head, and I stalk bike swaps, yard sales, E-bay, etc, and of the above changes, I had 80% of the parts on hand, so my out-of-pocket expense has been pretty minimal. On the LBS spring scale, with pedals and saddle bag the bike weighed 22-23 lbs, so it appears my changes have been neutral in the weight arena.

    And the bike rides great so far. I have been completing my 14 mile out-n-back TT in 40 minutes very comfortably. Short jaunts on local dual-track and fire roads are a blast. The biggest compliment I can pay the Swift is that for the most part, unless I look down or catch my shadow in profile, I forget I am not on my Kona Jake the Snake. The qualifier is the steering is a bit quicker, especially in out of the seat climbing efforts. As a drop-bar road/cross bike, the Swift is a huge success so far.

    Cheers
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    Jollydriver, I'm guessing your running slicks on your TT? What was your 14 mile time when the bike was stock (or mostly stock)? Awesome job btw.
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    All of my road riding including the TT course has been on the Schwalbe Marathon slicks. They are nice rolling but durable tires with a pressure range from 55-95 psi. For absolute speed I think the Stelvio would be a bit quicker (lighter and higher pressure). I never did the entire ride on my Swift in the stock config. The stock bike (short stem and flat bar) was too confining without enough hand-postion options for my taste (I'm 6'1). With that said, I could average 15-17 mph prior to the modifications, and now 20-22 mph is very comfortable on the same level smooth pavement. I personally think the stem has made the most difference, as it allows me to get in a lower stretched out position which is comfortable and aerodynamic. Compared to my 700c wheeled bikes, I am only about 2-3 minutes slower on the mentioned course with the Swift. I think the disparity will drop even further once I get a 55-56t chainring on the front.

    The Intense Haalo nobby tires are no slouch in the rolling department though...as a matter of fact their max psi (75-125psi) is higher then the Marathon slicks. I have not run them at their max pressue, but even at 75-80 they roll quickly...of course they are noisy on pavement, but superb on dry packed trails like we have here in Tucson, AZ.

    As for additional mods, the Minoura saddle mounted water gets mixed reviews. On pavement, it is okay, but I have ejected a water bottle when I took a man-hole cover at high speed. It will be unusable on trails for the same reason.

    Has anyone used the Quick Cage by Twofish? If so, does it work better attached to the seatpost or the handlebar assembly?

    Thanks for the interest, and I'll keep the Swift community updated on additional modifications and their merit.

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    Hey guys, i really like the Swift Folder, but i had a question (apologies if this was already adressed elsewhere..!)

    Does the Swift (with a little dissasembly) pack into a standard size or smaller suitcase like most other folders can..? I am not certain because it folds differently than any other folder and i am not sure if the who halves of the frame can actually be seperated at all? Anyone? Pictures perhaps?
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