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Old 08-05-12, 07:19 AM   #1
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Airnimal Chameleon Vs Pacific Reach Racer

Both great folding road bikes but which do is the best in your opinion?
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Does the Reach have 406 or 451 wheels/tires?

If it's 451, then I would just go with the Chameleon's 520 wheels/tires assuming that the Chameleon can fit on a flight legal suitcase. Note that something in the back of my head is whispering that the Airnimal suitcase is considerably large than 62 linear inches. (66? ... a mind is a terrible thing to lose) If that whisper is correct, then I would have to think harder about the choice.
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Does the Reach have 406 or 451 wheels/tires?

If it's 451, then I would just go with the Chameleon's 520 wheels/tires assuming that the Chameleon can fit on a flight legal suitcase. Note that something in the back of my head is whispering that the Airnimal suitcase is considerably large than 62 linear inches. (66? ... a mind is a terrible thing to lose) If that whisper is correct, then I would have to think harder about the choice.

The Reach is a 451 size. I must check regarding the case as that is very much food for thought. I have the IF Reach but just bought an Chameleon on eBay!

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The Chameleon will not fit today's flight legal suitcase.. with the wheels removed, the frame folded with mild disassembly will fit carry-on bags .. the wheels would be checked separately in a box or padded bag... the Delsey case is quite oversize, much like the Dahon Airporter.. you might get away with it, but it is not 62 linear inches.. in the reverse, the frame without the wheels will easily fit a 62 linear inch case, and then the wheels could be bagged as carry-on ..
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The Chameleon will not fit today's flight legal suitcase.. with the wheels removed, the frame folded with mild disassembly will fit carry-on bags .. the wheels would be checked separately in a box or padded bag... the Delsey case is quite oversize, much like the Dahon Airporter.. you might get away with it, but it is not 62 linear inches.. in the reverse, the frame without the wheels will easily fit a 62 linear inch case, and then the wheels could be bagged as carry-on ..
I must try packing the IF Reach and report back on it!
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The Chameleon will not fit today's flight legal suitcase.. with the wheels removed, the frame folded with mild disassembly will fit carry-on bags .. the wheels would be checked separately in a box or padded bag... the Delsey case is quite oversize, much like the Dahon Airporter.. you might get away with it, but it is not 62 linear inches.. in the reverse, the frame without the wheels will easily fit a 62 linear inch case, and then the wheels could be bagged as carry-on ..
By coincidence, I was showing something at the Calhoun Cyclery to a bud yesterday. They are an Airnimal dealer so I peeked at their website for what suitcase they sell. It appears that they sell the S&S Coupler suitcase for the Airnimal which is 62 linear inches.
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By coincidence, I was showing something at the Calhoun Cyclery to a bud yesterday. They are an Airnimal dealer so I peeked at their website for what suitcase they sell. It appears that they sell the S&S Coupler suitcase for the Airnimal which is 62 linear inches.
Ouch I just looked at the prices of those hard shell cases!
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Just picked up the new steed from a very nice gentleman in Portsmouth. Former professional cyclist and still runs ultra-marathons. You meet very interesting people who love cycling and especially respect folders. Will post pictures and some thoughts soon. Here was the listing I won on eBay. I have to say it's a beautiful frame and pretty lightweight!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/3307712104...#ht_500wt_1288
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Ouch I just looked at the prices of those hard shell cases!
Yeah ... sadly you almost never see a used suitcase without an associated bike.
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By coincidence, I was showing something at the Calhoun Cyclery to a bud yesterday. They are an Airnimal dealer so I peeked at their website for what suitcase they sell. It appears that they sell the S&S Coupler suitcase for the Airnimal which is 62 linear inches.
I forgot about the S&S case .. That's not really a commercial suitcase, more of a purpose built box designed for their coupled bikes .. but certainly an option .. the S&S site had some 26x26x12 cases marked way down under $200 ..

Mulleady, if the price is a bit steep, here's something under $40 that is airline legal size at 26x24x12.. a couple of straps and you're all set.. even has wheels and a handle

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Blood brothers - same (pacific) factory :-)
Enjoy that new steed - talk about folderitus :-)
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Blood brothers - same (pacific) factory :-)
Enjoy that new steed - talk about folderitus :-)
Airnimal and Pacific made in the same factory?
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Airnimal and Pacific made in the same factory?
Yes Pacific make both Airnimal & Birdy bikes. Designed in the UK & Germany respectively but a very capable Taiwanese partner. Pacific are very very skilled at making great frames.
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Enjoy that new steed - talk about folderitus :-)
You can blame blame people like Sesamecrunch for passing the virus on to me lol!
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Mulleady, if the price is a bit steep, here's something under $40 that is airline legal size at 26x24x12.. a couple of straps and you're all set.. even has wheels and a handle
Doh, just a LITTLE too short for my Friday!
Great idea, though. I think I need to start exploring teh Rubbermade isles in the box stores for similar products. Maybe one of those flatter boxes meant for stacking would hit the magic dimentions between too tight to fit and out of bounds.
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Yes i have the virus long-term, diagnosed as incurable lol
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You can blame blame people like Sesamecrunch for passing the virus on to me lol!
Hey Mully! My Folderitis has transmogrified into recumbent-itis, thereby proving that I am, if nothing else, consistent. Here's what I'm riding now:





But, don't worry, I still have the Hot-Lava Moulton (which I first saw at your house 4 years ago), a Brompton, and Downtube Mini (now my son's bike). Something for any mood.
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LOL Sesame your blue & black recumbent is quite something but I expect your recumbents to fold lol!
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They would probably fold under pressure from your Franken-calves!
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They would probably fold under pressure from your Franken-calves!
I have a very funny story for you. I visited a major shopping centre outside of London 2 weeks ago. The local health club/gym had a stand fundraising for charity in the mall. They had a virtual exercise bike simulating a velodrome sprint over 60 seconds with increasing resistance. I was spinning like a maniac until the last 15 seconds and my legs were like jelly at the end. Thought I had done hopeless until I was informed I'd done the fastest time all week and beaten all the young male personal trainers as well! I guess those calves are good for something Alan lol!

PS. I should come over and apply some real torque to your recumbents to test those chains!
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