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Old 10-01-12, 09:34 AM   #26
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However, could you imagine some peoples reaction (especially some BF enthusiasts) if this had been Brompton?
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...Dahon?
Easily enough tested. The last Dahon recall was the stem recall of 2008/2009. BikeForums had the following threads in 2009 and 2012 about it:

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-535379.html

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-544392.html

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-541357.html

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-776327.html

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-811941.html

I don't see any BF enthusiast making any noise about it at all. Do you?
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peace brothers !!!!!

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Easily enough tested. The last Dahon recall was the stem recall of 2008/2009. BikeForums had the following threads in 2009 and 2012 about it:

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-535379.html

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-544392.html

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-541357.html

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-776327.html

http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/in.../t-811941.html

I don't see any BF enthusiast making any noise about it at all. Do you?
And Brompton recalls? And who is making noise?

All of us like BF and wish them the best with this misfortune. But I've read lots of posts on how crap and limited the Brompton is meant to be. It is one hell of a reliable folding bike.
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You thinking back to your hippy years Thor lol?
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In July, a friend of mine was riding his FS MTB down a not too demanding hill, and one of the the front drop-outs sheared off, the wheel and he went flying. Some severe bruising and extreme gravel rash was what he was fortunate to escape with.

However, he is struggling even to get a replacement under warranty - from a famous name brand and well known dealer. It seems to be the manufacturers response is "so, sue us...". He can't afford that.

So, it seems to me BF here - maybe because they are small, maybe because of the unusual status of folders, or maybe, because they are ethical in what they do - are going well beyond the normal corporate response. So respect to them for that, and I am very sorry for them because they are a special outfit (as are Brompton, even though their politics are not mine).
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I don't see any BF enthusiast making any noise about it at all. Do you?
As you have read yourself, in those threads (and others) there are some pretty harsh things said about Dahon by some people (who don't identify what bikes they own/like). Are you trying to work the BF modifier addendum in the original statement into a non-existent point?
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You thinking back to your hippy years Thor lol?
what you mean with " back " .......... lol

Tcs... yeah I agree, but we are all pretty grown up ( despite that hippy thing above ..lol ) and its not about having a problem, every bike manufacturer has them occassionally ..( EVERY one , dont somebody say that brand ex never had a problem, now ) The important part is how a manufacturer deals with it and solves it.
Sometimes its a problem one bike has, be it from a defect or miss use/abuse doesnt matter, it gets spewed all over the place, and voila "the same " problem shows up somewhere else.... and than before you know it, there is a recall or hyper- panic all over.

Dahon replaced X amount.... dont know the exact number, but lets say even for Dahon a very large numbers of stems. I know I replaced ....... :-) lets say again , a lot of them... :-)

I am sure that BF does whatever is necessary to fix the problem, and they do it in a open way so it seems, which is applaudable. Keep in mind that the bigger the company is, sometimes the communication in dealing with issues like this, gets severely curtailed from some Lawyer and even if the company WANTS to be more open . they are not allowed, otherwise their insurance wont pay.
( Unfortunate, but the bitter truth in litigation happy countries around the world )

Would it stop me for bying a BF ..... absolutely NOT ....
Maybe the opposite. Same like Dahon, who took care of a problem,even if there were onlly a handfull of broken pieces, with hundredthousands of bikes out there ....
I like peeps who admit faults and live up to their mistakes ...

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+1 to Gringo Gus & Thor. I totally agree.

TCS also has a point. I think we have witnessed our fair share of Dahon & Brompton bashing and I was simply pointing out it happens to the best including Bike Friday. Feijai can get down off his high horse now lol! I am well aware he doesn't have much time for Bromptons but he will get over it!

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May be different system in UK , your, Solicitors and Barristers and such, Gus ..

in the US a personal injury lawsuit can be brought, forward, no cash down,
on the speculative contingency fee of a % of the settlement $..
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May be different system in UK , your, Solicitors and Barristers and such, Gus ..

in the US a personal injury lawsuit can be brought, forward, no cash down,
on the speculative contingency fee of a % of the settlement $..
Some lawyers offer that service in the UK too now. Litigation has become a very popular business here and we are bombarded with adverts offering such services.
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Some lawyers offer that service in the UK too now. Litigation has become a very popular business here and we are bombarded with adverts offering such services.
I always told my neighbor, who was an employment disability lawyer, that he was a "salesman" just like me (I sold telephone systems).
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As you have read yourself, in those threads (and others) there are some pretty harsh things said about Dahon by some people (who don't identify what bikes they own/like). Are you trying to work the BF modifier addendum in the original statement into a non-existent point?
Are you actually denying that you suggested that BF people would mock Dahon owners if Dahon had a recall? Seriously, it was just a page ago.

As both a Dahon and BF owner, I took a bit of offense to that. We all have our bike biases, but when it comes to recalls and other unfortunate situations, we're all folder owners together. Since you don't have any evidence for such an outrageous insinuation, and indeed the evidence is the other way, perhaps you shouldn't have made it.

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Feijai can get down off his high horse now lol! I am well aware he doesn't have much time for Bromptons but he will get over it!
Same goes for you, mulleady. Put up or shut up.

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The tone this thread has taken is so unnecessary.

(However, I personally dislike the company, dislike their fans even more, and look forward to a long, hysterical laughing jag the day they go out of business. I may buy a second-hand Tikit so I can crash it and sue.)
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The tone this thread has taken is so unnecessary.

(However, I personally dislike the company, dislike their fans even more, and look forward to a long, hysterical laughing jag the day they go out of business. I may buy a second-hand Tikit so I can crash it and sue.)
Unnecessary tone???
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ok nuff......now.. boys and girls
take your bike and ride a little.... comes to find out that I havent changed my Dahon stem as of yet .... I really should do that ..lol

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Let's not go down the road to personal attacks, please. Keep to the topic of the thread.
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Here's a picture of the tikit stem "test bed" - looks like something out of Alex Wetmore's basement...Maybe that's how he broke all those stems...lol

(I worked in a sheet metal / machine shop during HS and early college - this is a very normal thing, not pretty, but it does the job. Pic is from Bike Friday website.)

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Here's a picture of the tikit stem "test bed" - looks like something out of Alex Wetmore's basement...Maybe that's how he broke all those stems...lol

(I worked in a sheet metal / machine shop during HS and early college - this is a very normal thing, not pretty, but it does the job. Pic is from Bike Friday website.)

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Interesting.

What's the electric switch above the stem for? To stop the clock when the stem breaks?
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Interesting.

What's the electric switch above the stem for? To stop the clock when the stem breaks?
I don't think it will stop that totally 'manual' alarm clock, but looks like it is hooked to the electronics on right side of pic that likely tracks the number of "pulses" until failure.

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Here's a picture of the tikit stem "test bed" -
This is where it seems to be a bit dangerous for them.. Where was this 5 years ago ? On arguably the most risky (safety) part of the bike design ?
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Testing does get a bit more rigorous once a problem like this has turned-up.

You cannot test initial design to the Nth degree before production - you'd never get a product out the door. It has taken 5 yrs for this situation to materialize.

There is also the possibility of inferior quality supplier provided materials and/or parts, as well as manufacturer assembly quality on specific batches - not unlike what just about every auto manufacturer goes through. Seems to take federal policing and immense public pressure to get the automobile industry to do something about it, though. Bike Friday has stepped-up to the plate without such pressure, and they appear to be very open about what they are doing.

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Here is the video version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpmCF...ature=youtu.be
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Interesting to see it 'in motion'. That is a lot of "flex" that the base is withstanding.
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Testing does get a bit more rigorous once a problem like this has turned-up.
At least here in Europe, all bicycles must have their certificate of conformity (din 14674). What's been written above implies that they didn't even have an apparatus to perform such testing, needing to fabricate it in a rush afterward. Who did their conformity testing? They sell bicycles in Europe don't they ?
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