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    better pic..
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    better pic:

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallwheeler View Post
    consider this: products have to be profitable. dealer and manufacturer have to make a profit...
    You may have a point here, but its is also depends on how big of a profit margin we are talking about. I will buy the idea that small, new manufacturer will settle for a smaller profit initially in order to put their name on the market, unlike the well known brands who may charge extra just for brand. Also since the bike is not going to LBS, but being sold directly by manufacturer, they can sell it even lower.

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    what manufacturer are you talking about?
    did you check out that dahon helios xl with rack, thud buster seat post, and shimano nexus 7 speed hub the guy with the downtube also had in his possession? he is asking 365 for that! ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallwheeler View Post
    better pic:

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    Where is this bike available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILLI13 View Post
    You may have a point here, but its is also depends on how big of a profit margin we are talking about. I will buy the idea that small, new manufacturer will settle for a smaller profit initially in order to put their name on the market, unlike the well known brands who may charge extra just for brand. Also since the bike is not going to LBS, but being sold directly by manufacturer, they can sell it even lower.
    You are exactly right. We are still a young company trying to get our name out there, so we do take a much smaller profit that a more-established company will demand. We are building our reputation and hope to continue to provide quality products at a competetive price.

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    I was about to ask the same thing. Also, is that a single speed bike or is it equipped with some kind of two speed hub? I see only the two brake cables.

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    Edward Wong III
    2008 Qile Duo VSTII Single Speed 20" Folder (Converted from a 5 speed)

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallwheeler View Post
    did you check out that dahon helios xl....
    No, I dont see it listed on CL, although he mentioned it in his post.
    oh, and I was talking about Origami in this case....

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    you should check it out if you get a chance. the cane creek thud buster alone is worth 150. my first folding bike was a helios. its an excellent bike.

    regarding origami, it is not a manufacturer. origami, green zone, citizen, and many other such companies order bikes directly from the vast catalogues of behemoth bicycle companies in places like guangdong china. basically, origami, et al, are importers who buy bikes and spec add-ons and colors from the massive catalogue. for example, the origami fox is made by a company that makes or sources over 750 (!) different bicycles and everything else from derailleur hangers to bells. the importer can send over an illustrator vector file or just a plain old PDF of his logo and the manufacturer will print them and stick them on the bikes. below are pics of the fox and the crane, straight from the catalogue:

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    So did you see that bike listed? How did you get its specs?
    Its an interesting info about bike manufacturers-importers.... I was under impression that all those companies are actually designing their own bikes and then get them manufactured per their specs at some 3rd party company with manufacturing capacity and equipment.

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    yes i saw the bike listed! contact that person, if for no other reason its an opportunity to test ride a nice variety of bikes!

    also, there's this now:

    http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/3410728823.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallwheeler View Post
    you should check it out if you get a chance. the cane creek thud buster alone is worth 150. my first folding bike was a helios. its an excellent bike.

    regarding origami, it is not a manufacturer. origami, green zone, citizen, and many other such companies order bikes directly from the vast catalogues of behemoth bicycle companies in places like guangdong china. basically, origami, et al, are importers who buy bikes and spec add-ons and colors from the massive catalogue. for example, the origami fox is made by a company that makes or sources over 750 (!) different bicycles and everything else from derailleur hangers to bells. the importer can send over an illustrator vector file or just a plain old PDF of his logo and the manufacturer will print them and stick them on the bikes. below are pics of the fox and the crane, straight from the catalogue:

    Folding_bike_folding_bicycle_patented_bike.jpg2012_New_developed_folding_bicycle.jpg

    The Fox is essentially the bike shown above. The Crane, Cricket, and Mantis are our own (the photo of the red bike above looks nice, but is not our Crane).

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    Pinigis,
    What cog sizes are installed on Cricket?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ILLI13 View Post
    Pinigis,
    What cog sizes are installed on Cricket?
    The front chainring has 48 teeth, the rear cogs have 14, 16, 18, 21, 24, and 28.

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