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Old 10-18-12, 01:20 PM   #1
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Just ordered first folder - Origami Cricket

Many thanks to the providers of this Forum and the input from members! Without it, I'd not have known about Origami. As it stands, after much research and reading and bugging Origami owner Paul on the phone a couple of times, today I placed my order for a Cricket. Shiny Silver and accessorized, she should be here early next week (too bad FedEx doesn't work Sundays! ). I'll post up some pictures after the initial ride. Thanks again, BF.net!
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Congrats!

I'm so excited for you! Looks like a really nice bike! Please do keep us posted, and if possible...PICTURES!!!

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Many thanks to the providers of this Forum and the input from members! Without it, I'd not have known about Origami. As it stands, after much research and reading and bugging Origami owner Paul on the phone a couple of times, today I placed my order for a Cricket. Shiny Silver and accessorized, she should be here early next week (too bad FedEx doesn't work Sundays! ). I'll post up some pictures after the initial ride. Thanks again, BF.net!
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Thanks, Ed! Looks like I will have pictures today!!!

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Activity - On FedEx vehicle for delivery
Woot!

Thought it was going to arrive Monday, but it took FedEx 2 days to move the bike 90 miles (?) up in North Carolina. They may have a logistics problem of some sort there... or they just wanted me to squirm for an extra day. At any rate, I should be rolling sometime this afternoon.

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TL;DR - The Cricket is awesome! Lots of bike for the money, though as nearly anything you buy, it is also improvable. I am very pleased with the bike, and especially so at the price point Paul is able to sell them. So anything you read below which you might take as "criticism", I'll go ahead and correct you on that now - it isn't! They are just areas where I think I can take an already great product and improve on it through my own ideas. If any of my changes were implemented by Paul/the manufacturer, there would be a corresponding increase in price.

Semi-long version, for now: FedEx made me wait all day long to deliver (Grr!) - but they finally got it here at 5PM, & ...FedEx was *not* gentle in their handling of the package. It was *very* beat up, the box was crumpled all over and had several holes in it, to the point that I took pictures, fearing the worst. Thankfully, damage to the bike was minimal - there were a few scuffs where it contacted ?things? (truck floors, conveyor belts, other hard stuff...). The rack has a good scrape on one corner, the bottom of the fork is missing a little powdercoat, as is the top of the frame seat tube.

Initial unpacking/unwrapping/assembly took on the order of 30 minutes, during which time everyone who saw the Cricket made remarks about how cool/neat it was. Assembly was straightforward, using the guide that Paul had emailed me after ordering. It was a nice touch to see that Paul had already installed the cycloputer and handlebar flashlight I'd ordered extra. One thing I did not do which I should have done, knowing better, is to check the shifting and adjust it if needed. More on that in a moment...

I got to ride it a little bit before dark, and was really impressed with how it handles and "feels" compared to my other, non-folding bikes: a Schwinn crossover, & Giant hard-tail and GT full suspension mtn bikes. I am going to dig having this bike, and will be putting a bunch of miles on her.

I will be able to lighten her up and upgrade a bit by making some component changes. There is plenty of room to cut down the seat tube and steering tubes by a few inches; both are extra generously long for my height of 5'8". The seat attachment is plain-Jane steel like you see on any 'normal' retail bike - so there are some ounces just in changing that. The hubs/bearings aren't the smoothest, I could detect some roughness/resistance spinning the wheels almost as if they weren't packed with much grease (they appear to be sealed), but they are plenty serviceable as-is, so it will be a while before I go there. I'd like to change the gearing a bit in order to get more out of her on the top end. The disc brakes work great.

But I should have checked that the shifting was adjusted...

Because when I shifted down the first time, the derailleur went right into the spokes, and being a low-end Shimano TZ, it got wasted, and fast. Irreparably so. Not that it mattered, much - as soon as I had seen the derailleur I knew I wanted to put some better hardware on there. This just accelerated the timeline on that. And the incident showed me that the spokes on this bike are *tough* - the only damage they sustained were some scratches, and 1 spoke has a negligible bend in it. This morning I pulled a vintage (early 90's) Deore XT derailleur from the parts bin and installed it so that I can ride while finding a better solution.

Anyone have any suggestions on what I should use for that, being that this bike has the RevoShift 6 speed shifters? I've read that these shifters are fairly backwards compatible with lots of Shimano gear, but I haven't kept up much on what is out there to know offhand what the best "bang-for-buck" derailleur will be. I have no objection to the 90's-era XT derailleur, but it has seen a hard life already banging around trails from SC to Hawaii, and doesn't quite allow me to use all the gears on the cassette.

Pics to come in a few minutes!

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Congrats, do you have a thumb shifter in your parts bin that will work?
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Cricket pron ;)

The much-abused box...


One of the scrapes, and the hole which allowed it...


Sweet! The 2 yellow straps are "of 4" which came with the bike to use to hold it folded when transporting, is my guess.


Love the clean and consistent appearance of the welds; makes me think they are done very well.


The new old derailleur. At just left of the top you can see the slight bend that one spoke got in the "shifting tragedy".


Detail, main folding hinge.


Partially folded, just to give you an idea...


Detail, handlebar/steering tube hinge.


Yippity-doo-dah.
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Old 10-24-12, 02:28 PM   #7
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Congrats, do you have a thumb shifter in your parts bin that will work?
Yes, I do, but - it is as ugly and beat up as the derailleur in the pics, and this bike is just so shiny happy new right now that I think it would be defacementof a sort to put it on.
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Congrats on the new Cricket! Sorry that it had a few scratches, and for your incident with the derailleur. By the way, any derailleur no matter how expensive would have been wasted the same way if it clashes with the spokes while the bike is moving. The XT looks like it'll do the job while you find something else.

The Cricket looks comfortable with it's relaxed riding geometry, quite similar to my Greenzone VE, but you have in addition full suspension. The ride must be pretty soft.

Please keep us in the loop as you ride the Cricket even more in the next coming days.

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Sorry to hear about the roached derailleur. If there is anything that I can do to help, please let me know. I hope that you have many miles and many smiles with your Cricket.
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Cricket Murdering Began Today!

After the 'derailleur incident', while shopping online for a replacement part, I realized I can really take the Cricket to the next level relatively cheaply if I stay out of the high-end components and do the build myself. Talked to Paul about it on the phone and he seemed to think it is doable as well, so I am going ahead with the project...

First big box o' parts came in today; new BB, 3 spd crankset (22-32-42), front derailleur, shifters, chain, and BB and crank puller tools. I got the BB and cranks mounted today, and dry-mounted the front derailleur to see what she'll look like. You'll note the black color, I am going to 'murder' the bike, changing everything possible except the frame to black.

The new rear derailleur and hanger should be getting here in the next few days, along with an 8 spd cassette. I am undecided about whether to go with a cassette on the rear or switch to an internal hub (input appreciated, pro and con!). Either way I am going to have to get new wheels (w/black rims & hubs, at the least ). I have no experience with the internals, but they sound good based on what the bike store guy was telling me the other day. I'll be doing some reading here to learn about that topic.

Anyway, here are a couple of not-very-good pics from today.



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If you've already thrown a triple crank on, an internal hub gets problematic with chainline and chain tension issues.

A more typical arrangement on a small folder is to use a hub with a rear derailleur and single chainring instead of a double or triple chainring to allow wider gearing.

In other words, a 3-sp. hub in effect becomes a triple crank, but without the chainline/chain tension issues without a rear derailleur.

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Here is a better deal
http://www.ebay.com/itm/STURMEY-ARCH...item564c751392
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So after the above 3 posts and some quick reading, let me see if I am getting this right - I would drop back to a single chainring on the crank, use the SA hub, it has 3 spds & is controlled by the/a left handlebar shifter, and a rear derailleur/right handlebar shifter for the freewheel (currently 6 spd)? Producing an 18 spd, probably with some gearing overlap. I can get up to a 48t outer if needed...
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If you use a 8 or 9 speed cassette it would be a 24 or 27 speed. You are correct on the single front crank.
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I would look like this bike
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So after the above 3 posts and some quick reading, let me see if I am getting this right - I would drop back to a single chainring on the crank, use the SA hub, it has 3 spds & is controlled by the/a left handlebar shifter, and a rear derailleur/right handlebar shifter for the freewheel (currently 6 spd)? Producing an 18 spd, probably with some gearing overlap. I can get up to a 48t outer if needed...
Right. But that brings up another point. You'd need a new wheel built around a hub, change the triple crank back to a single...is it really worth it at this point? Hubs ain't cheap, building a wheel ain't cheap. You could build up the new wheel yourself if you have the tools & expertise, but it's generally harder than building a "normal" size wheel with shorter spoke lengths, dishing, etc. If your bike came equipped like this, great, but getting it to this point might be a lot of effort and expense for minimal gain.

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Isn't there meant to be a hub gear somewhere in the SRAM dual drive setup?
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Isn't there meant to be a hub gear somewhere in the SRAM dual drive setup?
There is. The black blob you see where you would normally see the non quick-release side of the axle is the entry for the cable to shift the hub.
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Right. But that brings up another point. You'd need a new wheel built around a hub, change the triple crank back to a single...is it really worth it at this point? Hubs ain't cheap, building a wheel ain't cheap. You could build up the new wheel yourself if you have the tools & expertise, but it's generally harder than building a "normal" size wheel with shorter spoke lengths, dishing, etc. If your bike came equipped like this, great, but getting it to this point might be a lot of effort and expense for minimal gain.
I agree with Don. I'd ride the bike as you have it setup for now and with experience decide what you want to change before spending too much.

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Can this bike accommodate IGH without the use of derailleur/chain tensioner?
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Can this bike accommodate IGH without the use of derailleur/chain tensioner?
It appears to have a vertical dropout, so nope.
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Capnk,


Do you have any more updates about the bike? I'd like to buy one, but still on the fence. Also did you find a better derailleur for your bike?
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