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Angry at my Dahon
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I am a graduate student at a university and my home is 6 miles away. I bought a Dahon Mu8 so that I can take the bike to my office and not worry about it, or its any parts, being stolen. But, after about 4-5 months of riding, I feel like this folding bike is not up for the task of riding 12 miles a day. It has 8 gears, 20'' tires, and feels fragile, to be honest. I wish I knew this beforehand, I would bought something different then. It doesn't feel as fast, and uphills are a torture. Plus, the bike is giving me troubles--especially with the breaks. Breaks feel loose and after riding in the rain for 2 days, I feel like I wouldn't be able to stop in an emergency. I bought it off amazon, so there is no dealer I can go back to. I am thinking of switching to a touring or a cyclocross/road bike. What do you guys think?
I am a graduate student at a university and my home is 6 miles away. I bought a Dahon Mu8 so that I can take the bike to my office and not worry about it, or its any parts, being stolen. But, after about 4-5 months of riding, I feel like this folding bike is not up for the task of riding 12 miles a day. It has 8 gears, 20'' tires, and feels fragile, to be honest. I wish I knew this beforehand, I would bought something different then. It doesn't feel as fast, and uphills are a torture. Plus, the bike is giving me troubles--especially with the breaks. Breaks feel loose and after riding in the rain for 2 days, I feel like I wouldn't be able to stop in an emergency. I bought it off amazon, so there is no dealer I can go back to. I am thinking of switching to a touring or a cyclocross/road bike. What do you guys think?
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What is your maintenance ritual? How often do you maintain the hinges? How often do you clean and adjust your brakes? How often do you lube your drivetrain? Are your hubs adjusted properly and adequately lubed? Although I don't own one it seems that quite a few people like their Dahons of that price range.
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What is your maintenance ritual? How often do you maintain the hinges? How often do you clean and adjust your brakes? How often do you lube your drivetrain? Are your hubs adjusted properly and adequately lubed? Although I don't own one it seems that quite a few people like their Dahons of that price range.
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What do you mean 'loose'? Do the brake levers have too much travel before actually beginning to slow the bike or do the brake levers and/or brake arms rattle?
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have you tried to ride another bike uphill? how did you compare fast or not fast, fragile or not fragile?
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Yes, I did test ride some other bikes and there is a considerable difference.
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The problem seems to be you find the performance of the brakes somewhat lacking. I just checked the Dahon site (after looking on Amazon) and I didn't see what type of brakes are being used. That might be the problem right there- not all rim brakes are as effective as others.
I've had to use my son's BMX bike when my bike was in the shop before. First time I went down a pretty steep hill and hit the brakes to slow down... I survived, but it wasn't pretty.
I've had to use my son's BMX bike when my bike was in the shop before. First time I went down a pretty steep hill and hit the brakes to slow down... I survived, but it wasn't pretty.
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Any bike with rim brakes after riding two days in the rain will probably need new pads if you've been using them like normal. In the rain I try to not expect the brakes to do much and not wear the pads.
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But if you're thinking of switching to a touring or a cyclocross/road bike, then by all means do. What matters most is that you ride a bike that you like best.
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this was interesting.
I shall search more into this and see if the pads need replacement. Thank you.
Thank you for the suggestion. I'll look into what kind of breaks they are using and upgrade if necessary.
I had a similar suspicion. The folding bike shop is a tad far away, however, and the car isn't with me during the week. So, the earliest I can do is this weekend. I'll go and make sure they take a second look. I mean the city scape isn't the perfect pavement--and mu8's tires aren't exactly thin. So, I go into a pothole every now and then. I hope that is not it.
The problem seems to be you find the performance of the brakes somewhat lacking. I just checked the Dahon site (after looking on Amazon) and I didn't see what type of brakes are being used. That might be the problem right there- not all rim brakes are as effective as others.
I've had to use my son's BMX bike when my bike was in the shop before. First time I went down a pretty steep hill and hit the brakes to slow down... I survived, but it wasn't pretty.
I've had to use my son's BMX bike when my bike was in the shop before. First time I went down a pretty steep hill and hit the brakes to slow down... I survived, but it wasn't pretty.
Hopefully the shop tightened the brake cable pinch bolt enough so that the cable didn't slip. It basically sounds like your cable needs to be adjusted and two day's time is too little for the cable to stretch, for the cable housing to become faulty somewhere and compress or for the pads to wear enough to create that much play. I think you should have taken it back to the shop immediately... there's something not right here.
A properly tuned/maintained folding bike should have a good solid feel and be a pleasure to ride. I would hazard a guess that the majority of people on this forum ride a folding bike most of the time and do so without any more incidences than people riding large wheeled non-folding bikes. You've just mentioned too many issues that arose in such a short period of time after the shop worked on it for the cause to be a Dahon issue, I'd be more apt to question the mechanic who worked on it.
But if you're thinking of switching to a touring or a cyclocross/road bike, then by all means do. What matters most is that you ride a bike that you like best.
A properly tuned/maintained folding bike should have a good solid feel and be a pleasure to ride. I would hazard a guess that the majority of people on this forum ride a folding bike most of the time and do so without any more incidences than people riding large wheeled non-folding bikes. You've just mentioned too many issues that arose in such a short period of time after the shop worked on it for the cause to be a Dahon issue, I'd be more apt to question the mechanic who worked on it.
But if you're thinking of switching to a touring or a cyclocross/road bike, then by all means do. What matters most is that you ride a bike that you like best.
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If the bike feels sluggish, pump up the tyres rock-hard (and check the pressure every couple of weeks) and try raising your saddle a bit. Goes for any bike. On a folder, tightening up all the folding hinges (frame, bars) made a huge difference too. A half-hour trip will hardly be too challenging for your Dahon.
V-brakes should be one of the easiest fixes, any shop that can't do it is just taking the p***
V-brakes should be one of the easiest fixes, any shop that can't do it is just taking the p***
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Please explain what you mean by "the bike feels fragile". Because of the small wheels and the geometry, folding bikes often feel very nervous compared to a full size bicycle. This agility is often perceived as a plus for city driving though, it makes people feel adventurous. If the bike feels fragile to you because there is play in the hinges or the head set, this needs to be adjusted ASAP before you wear something out. You can adjust the hinges yourself, it's not hard to figure out. I tighten the steerer hinge until it needs some effort to close, so I know it has no play whatsoever. My frame hinge never needed adjustment so far.
As for the brakes, anyone can adjust V-brakes, either with the adjusters at the levers or with the clamp bolt. A "problem" with folding bikes is that if you unfold it and the brake cable remains twisted and excessively bendy in some place, the cable is tighter than when you flatten the brake cable housing against the frame with your hand. If the shop adjusted the brakes with a bendy brake line, there will be excessive clearance when the housing is properly routed. Fix this yourself. Now. All you need is an allen key and 20 minutes if it's your first time. If the brake closes asymmetrically, turn the screws near the base of the calipers to adjust spring tension.
Riding uphill is hard. Nothing to do with the bike, unless the gearing doesn't reach to a comfortable ratio for the inclines you need to conquer. My 9-speed is fine up to maybe 6% inclines though, and you can ride up much steeper ones if they're only a few hundred metres long so you can afford to put some lactic acid towards it.
As for the brakes, anyone can adjust V-brakes, either with the adjusters at the levers or with the clamp bolt. A "problem" with folding bikes is that if you unfold it and the brake cable remains twisted and excessively bendy in some place, the cable is tighter than when you flatten the brake cable housing against the frame with your hand. If the shop adjusted the brakes with a bendy brake line, there will be excessive clearance when the housing is properly routed. Fix this yourself. Now. All you need is an allen key and 20 minutes if it's your first time. If the brake closes asymmetrically, turn the screws near the base of the calipers to adjust spring tension.
Riding uphill is hard. Nothing to do with the bike, unless the gearing doesn't reach to a comfortable ratio for the inclines you need to conquer. My 9-speed is fine up to maybe 6% inclines though, and you can ride up much steeper ones if they're only a few hundred metres long so you can afford to put some lactic acid towards it.
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I'm in the UK and use my DAHON MU for a 14 mile commute. It feels a lot more solid than a MTB ever did. Infact, you can feel that its more efficient as you push on. I have a lot of confidence in it. I can't say much about brakes other than stretched cables really weaken the braking power. I'm sorry the OP isn't enjoying it. Maybe better to just trade for something else? At least it should have kept its value?
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If the bike feels sluggish, pump up the tyres rock-hard (and check the pressure every couple of weeks) and try raising your saddle a bit. Goes for any bike. On a folder, tightening up all the folding hinges (frame, bars) made a huge difference too. A half-hour trip will hardly be too challenging for your Dahon.
V-brakes should be one of the easiest fixes, any shop that can't do it is just taking the p***
V-brakes should be one of the easiest fixes, any shop that can't do it is just taking the p***
Please explain what you mean by "the bike feels fragile". Because of the small wheels and the geometry, folding bikes often feel very nervous compared to a full size bicycle. This agility is often perceived as a plus for city driving though, it makes people feel adventurous. If the bike feels fragile to you because there is play in the hinges or the head set, this needs to be adjusted ASAP before you wear something out. You can adjust the hinges yourself, it's not hard to figure out. I tighten the steerer hinge until it needs some effort to close, so I know it has no play whatsoever. My frame hinge never needed adjustment so far.
As for the brakes, anyone can adjust V-brakes, either with the adjusters at the levers or with the clamp bolt. A "problem" with folding bikes is that if you unfold it and the brake cable remains twisted and excessively bendy in some place, the cable is tighter than when you flatten the brake cable housing against the frame with your hand. If the shop adjusted the brakes with a bendy brake line, there will be excessive clearance when the housing is properly routed. Fix this yourself. Now. All you need is an allen key and 20 minutes if it's your first time. If the brake closes asymmetrically, turn the screws near the base of the calipers to adjust spring tension.
Riding uphill is hard. Nothing to do with the bike, unless the gearing doesn't reach to a comfortable ratio for the inclines you need to conquer. My 9-speed is fine up to maybe 6% inclines though, and you can ride up much steeper ones if they're only a few hundred metres long so you can afford to put some lactic acid towards it.
As for the brakes, anyone can adjust V-brakes, either with the adjusters at the levers or with the clamp bolt. A "problem" with folding bikes is that if you unfold it and the brake cable remains twisted and excessively bendy in some place, the cable is tighter than when you flatten the brake cable housing against the frame with your hand. If the shop adjusted the brakes with a bendy brake line, there will be excessive clearance when the housing is properly routed. Fix this yourself. Now. All you need is an allen key and 20 minutes if it's your first time. If the brake closes asymmetrically, turn the screws near the base of the calipers to adjust spring tension.
Riding uphill is hard. Nothing to do with the bike, unless the gearing doesn't reach to a comfortable ratio for the inclines you need to conquer. My 9-speed is fine up to maybe 6% inclines though, and you can ride up much steeper ones if they're only a few hundred metres long so you can afford to put some lactic acid towards it.
I'm in the UK and use my DAHON MU for a 14 mile commute. It feels a lot more solid than a MTB ever did. Infact, you can feel that its more efficient as you push on. I have a lot of confidence in it. I can't say much about brakes other than stretched cables really weaken the braking power. I'm sorry the OP isn't enjoying it. Maybe better to just trade for something else? At least it should have kept its value?
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Hello everyone!
I am a graduate student at a university and my home is 6 miles away. I bought a Dahon Mu8 so that I can take the bike to my office and not worry about it, or its any parts, being stolen. But, after about 4-5 months of riding, I feel like this folding bike is not up for the task of riding 12 miles a day. It has 8 gears, 20'' tires, and feels fragile, to be honest. I wish I knew this beforehand, I would bought something different then. It doesn't feel as fast, and uphills are a torture. Plus, the bike is giving me troubles--especially with the breaks. Breaks feel loose and after riding in the rain for 2 days, I feel like I wouldn't be able to stop in an emergency. I bought it off amazon, so there is no dealer I can go back to. I am thinking of switching to a touring or a cyclocross/road bike. What do you guys think?
I am a graduate student at a university and my home is 6 miles away. I bought a Dahon Mu8 so that I can take the bike to my office and not worry about it, or its any parts, being stolen. But, after about 4-5 months of riding, I feel like this folding bike is not up for the task of riding 12 miles a day. It has 8 gears, 20'' tires, and feels fragile, to be honest. I wish I knew this beforehand, I would bought something different then. It doesn't feel as fast, and uphills are a torture. Plus, the bike is giving me troubles--especially with the breaks. Breaks feel loose and after riding in the rain for 2 days, I feel like I wouldn't be able to stop in an emergency. I bought it off amazon, so there is no dealer I can go back to. I am thinking of switching to a touring or a cyclocross/road bike. What do you guys think?
https://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/chapter6a.htm
https://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
Regarding a different bike, if it gets the job done and the risk of theft is minimal, then I'd stick with the standard bike. Especially if the fit of the folding bike is sub optimal relative to a standard bike. Otherwise, you might want to try a more performance oriented tire.
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If we know where you are located we might be able to recommend a local bike shop. Viable solutions to some issues will vary with location.
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Reading through the thread, I'd bone up on the standard maintenance for the bike. Do this first. Make sure that you pay attention to the headset which takes big loads since the stem post acts as a lever. Check the hinges too. Rear brakes typically suck relative to front brakes. You don't report any squeal or such. After you do your maintenance, can you lock the rear brakes during a stop? If not, make sure that the cables were not getting caught on something during the fold/unfold. If you're sure you adjusted the rear brakes well, perhaps there is an issue with technique.
https://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/chapter6a.htm
https://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
Regarding a different bike, if it gets the job done and the risk of theft is minimal, then I'd stick with the standard bike. Especially if the fit of the folding bike is sub optimal relative to a standard bike. Otherwise, you might want to try a more performance oriented tire.
https://www.bikexprt.com/streetsmarts/usa/chapter6a.htm
https://sheldonbrown.com/brakturn.html
Regarding a different bike, if it gets the job done and the risk of theft is minimal, then I'd stick with the standard bike. Especially if the fit of the folding bike is sub optimal relative to a standard bike. Otherwise, you might want to try a more performance oriented tire.
I don't think that cable is supposed to be sticking out like that. Some of the parts there feel loose and I can easily unscrew them with my hand. That cable wasn't there before.. Hmm.. I am going to take this back to the shop.
I live in northern VA, the shop I took it was Bikes@Vienna. Thanks.
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I don't think that cable is supposed to be sticking out like that. Some of the parts there feel loose and I can easily unscrew them with my hand. That cable wasn't there before.. Hmm.. I am going to take this back to the shop.
I live in northern VA, the shop I took it was Bikes@Vienna. Thanks.
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I suggested taking it to the shop to have the bike completely looked over. The spring itself can easily be popped into place in under a second.
**Update**
Look at this video... I modified the URL to start at 159 seconds into the video where the 'instructor' shows how the spring can be popped out of place... do the same in reverse to pop it back in. When you have spare time I suggest watching instructional videos and learn how to perform even the most basic maintenance procedures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8dkU5NhCVY&t=159
**Update**
Look at this video... I modified the URL to start at 159 seconds into the video where the 'instructor' shows how the spring can be popped out of place... do the same in reverse to pop it back in. When you have spare time I suggest watching instructional videos and learn how to perform even the most basic maintenance procedures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8dkU5NhCVY&t=159
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I suggested taking it to the shop to have the bike completely looked over. The spring itself can easily be popped into place in under a second.
**Update**
Look at this video... I modified the URL to start at 159 seconds into the video where the 'instructor' shows how the spring can be popped out of place... do the same in reverse to pop it back in. When you have spare time I suggest watching instructional videos and learn how to perform even the most basic maintenance procedures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8dkU5NhCVY&t=159
**Update**
Look at this video... I modified the URL to start at 159 seconds into the video where the 'instructor' shows how the spring can be popped out of place... do the same in reverse to pop it back in. When you have spare time I suggest watching instructional videos and learn how to perform even the most basic maintenance procedures.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8dkU5NhCVY&t=159
This was very helpful. Thank you.