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    lowrider front racks for 20" wheel - options?

    crazylegsmurphy's quest for luggage options for the Tern led me to the Tern Spartan front rack.

    A front lowrider seems like it might be an easy way to up the carrying capacity on a folder and I'd like to try one. The Spartan however looks like it won't work with v-brakes

    Is anyone aware of other alternatives? Availability in Europe/UK would be a big plus.

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    There used to be one- I think it was Dahon. No longer made. That one is much better as you have the platform on top and no problems with the brakes.

    We have been working on this problem for years. Tryed to modify two types of lowriders made for bigger wheels- fail.

    Added a small platform on top of the tern rack (to place a big backpack on top as some Bromptoneers do behind the seatpost) and found it worked so-so, same problems with the brakes.

    We tryed canti brakes and caliper brakes. I ended up building drum brake wheels for the three (cargo type) bikes we use the racks on. Problem solved as such but there may be good reasons why you do not want to do that.

    I am still looking for a good frontrack for our light quickrelease wheeled v-brake bikes. Did we not almost talk Sixty into making one (or was that for a Brompton??) this autumn?

    BNB linked to some racks for citizen bikes not long ago. They may work. I am curently using something like this http://www.sjscycles.co.uk/alloy-fro...loy-prod14021/ but not a good idea. You can mount panniers but they could twist into your wheels. Can be modifyes if you are clever and patient.

    At present I suggest: Have somebody build or modify a front rack- you could start with the Tern rack if you know a good welder- or
    get a new fork and new brakes (have disk mount welded on or v-brake bosses added behind the forklegs like Tern do), drum brakes is an option.

    We could not make calipers work properly behind the fork but it may work on your bike. We only had cheapo BMX type or from cheap bikes to try with. I would have bought better ones if we could make the cheap ones work.

    Remember the tern and Dahon bikes is 74mm front hub and the Tern rack is alu. Do you want to risk coldsetting it?

    Somebody should start a Facebook group to demand the Dahon rack back (I am willing to join FB for this purpose).

    Only easy solution today (if 74mm is ok): keep an eye on E-bay for a Dahon frontrack.

    Edit: Bike Friday have some great racks but only for bikes with the proper forks. http://bikefriday.com/thestore/index...6VMZ0&cPath=37
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    Forgot the narrower hubs, else I might have risked experimenting with a Spartan Rack (available for reasonable EUR 30ish shipped). That's a price range I'd prefer to stay in. I would still prefer a LR to keep the headlight clear. Anyone ever try a regular 'just a square bolted on each side' LR carrier on a folder?

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    I found that with any type of LR we tryed the brakes was the broblem. Not enough space for both without creating a huge fold.

    Light can be mounted on (under) the rack. Used a lot on Rando bikes. http://www.flickr.com/photos/7516215...n/photostream/
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    There used to be one- I think it was Dahon. No longer made. That one is much better as you have the platform on top and no problems with the brakes
    New version here, and apparently in stock: http://www.derfaltradshop.de/DAHON-T...-Front-Rack-11

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis Shumaker View Post
    New version here, and apparently in stock: http://www.derfaltradshop.de/DAHON-T...-Front-Rack-11
    Thank you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    Thank you!
    Funniest thing is I have a meeting tomorrow only ten miles from that bike shop. Might just pop in!

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    Being on either side of a 20" wheel, the front Pannier racks on my Bike friday are both
    low riding , and I can tie a load across the top of both panniers and the rack .
    [ Pizza picked up with stretch net to the pannier D rings]

    Putting a big wheel lowrider rack does bring it down rather low on small wheel forks.
    as most fits on fork tip eyelets , that are 3~4" closer to the ground..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    Being on either side of a 20" wheel, the front Pannier racks on my Bike friday are both
    low riding , and I can tie a load across the top of both panniers and the rack .
    [ Pizza picked up with stretch net to the pannier D rings]

    Putting a big wheel lowrider rack does bring it down rather low on small wheel forks.
    as most fits on fork tip eyelets , that are 3~4" closer to the ground..
    This si what we want! You can start with taking some good close up pictures for us so we see what we need to make!
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    What I - lazily - wanted to avoid was any repositioning of the headlight away from the fork crown, and any part of the rack that might interfere with the beam. The Tern lowrider looked like it would fulfil that in a simple way.

    I did find an interesting blog post where someone described mounting a Zefal lowrider backwards on the fork of a Bernds folder, the connecting rod ended up more or less replacing the mudguard stays. Looked doable.

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    This is what we want! You can start with taking some good close up pictures for us so we see what we need to make!
    look at the BikeFriday site.. they made it in 3 pieces , to come apart to pack Flat.
    6 bolts 2 pair go into fork fittings , the top front one is a removable connecting tube.

    [I don't even have a decent DigiCamera.]

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    look at the BikeFriday site.. they made it in 3 pieces , to come apart to pack Flat.
    6 bolts 2 pair go into fork fittings , the top front one is a removable connecting tube.

    [I don't even have a decent DigiCamera.]
    Been there but the pix are too small. You are excused if you have no camera. Struggeling with a crappy mobile camera myself, and too lazy to learn properly how to use it since there is a new one for me in the near future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis Shumaker View Post
    What I - lazily - wanted to avoid was any repositioning of the headlight away from the fork crown, and any part of the rack that might interfere with the beam. The Tern lowrider looked like it would fulfil that in a simple way.

    I did find an interesting blog post where someone described mounting a Zefal lowrider backwards on the fork of a Bernds folder, the connecting rod ended up more or less replacing the mudguard stays. Looked doable.
    Link to the blog?
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    Link to the blog?
    It's not in English, but the pics show it quite well: http://reisefaltrad.blogspot.de/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis Shumaker View Post
    It's not in English, but the pics show it quite well: http://reisefaltrad.blogspot.de/
    No problem
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    words:
    the thing consists of 2 side pieces [think blackburn low rider, but mounting different],
    it made from steel tube that thickness .. so I use the small 8mm ortlieb hook insert..


    and the fork has a Braze on behind where the V Brake Boss is, and one on the fork tip.


    front upper corner is a stanchion, 3rd part is a tube with threaded bosses in the ends..
    it's like 5" long.. bolt on each end.


    For DIY by using the bag you will use should suggest where the 3rd lower hook needs to be for support.
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    I headed over to the bike shop behind that online operation today, it was only a 10 minute detour.

    Nothing foldy on display apart from a couple of 24" (?) Dahons. I told the guy what I was looking for and he vanished into the back shop and reappeared with two racks.

    'We sell these on the internet. We've got the new model and the old model.'

    The old model was smaller and looked about right. It was also under 30 Euros. Part number JG4010000001, model year 2007 if you're taking notes.

    Quite a nifty wee thing, sturdier than my rear rack and quick to fit (narrower hubs, cold-setting, what on earth was I thinking about - it's hollow aluminium, not glass. Enough flex to fit any 20" wheeler.). My clunky v-brakes only just fit though, I might pick up slimmer ones soon as they're not expensive.

    It sits more like a low rider than a regular rack, lower than the top of the tyre, what I was looking for.

    Not as pretty as the Tern lowrider, but one can't have everything.






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    Hi.

    just a thought : might this front brake mounting rack work well with small wheels
    and small drop panniers : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Cyclin...e1bdfb0&_uhb=1



    rgds, sreten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis Shumaker View Post
    I headed over to the bike shop behind that online operation today, it was only a 10 minute detour.

    Nothing foldy on display apart from a couple of 24" (?) Dahons. I told the guy what I was looking for and he vanished into the back shop and reappeared with two racks.

    'We sell these on the internet. We've got the new model and the old model.'

    The old model was smaller and looked about right. It was also under 30 Euros. Part number JG4010000001, model year 2007 if you're taking notes.

    Quite a nifty wee thing, sturdier than my rear rack and quick to fit (narrower hubs, cold-setting, what on earth was I thinking about - it's hollow aluminium, not glass. Enough flex to fit any 20" wheeler.). My clunky v-brakes only just fit though, I might pick up slimmer ones soon as they're not expensive.

    It sits more like a low rider than a regular rack, lower than the top of the tyre, what I was looking for.

    Not as pretty as the Tern lowrider, but one can't have everything.

    this is exactely the rack we have on three bikes (the ones converted to hub brake). I also did the coldsetting . It is a great rack but I have decided I want a platform on top on our next two bikes (like the new Dahon rack you linked to). Also you are in for a bit of wrenching when you want to take the front wheel off..


    Keep us updated on how you like it! I envy you who can go shopping for such treats in person. With me it is web shopping only.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sreten View Post
    Hi.

    just a thought : might this brake mounting rack work well with small wheels
    and drop panniers : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Cyclin...e1bdfb0&_uhb=1


    rgds, sreten.
    Looks exactely like the rack I have on my white folder at the moment. I can hang two panniers from it, but there is nothing to keep the bags out of the spokes, and that is scary.

    Also on my (20") bike the fold is such that with this rack on- the fold is bigger than without it. The fold on my bike is such that when folded the front and rear axel meets spot on. This also makes the fold bigger than if one axel was two centimeters behind the other one.

    I have been thinking of supporting the rack with two legs, like the ones you use to support baskets:

    7863.jpg

    They can be placed in the corners of the "C" that is supporting the rack under and cut to right lenght. That way I think you can carry more weight on it plus you keep the bags out of the spokes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    Looks exactely like the rack I have on my white folder at the moment. I can hang two panniers from it, but there is nothing to keep the bags out of the spokes, and that is scary.

    Also on my (20") bike the fold is such that with this rack on- the fold is bigger than without it. The fold on my bike is such that when folded the front and rear axel meets spot on. This also makes the fold bigger than if one axel was two centimeters behind the other one.

    I have been thinking of supporting the rack with two legs, like the ones you use to support baskets:

    7863.jpg

    They can be placed in the corners of the "C" that is supporting the rack under and cut to right lenght. That way I think you can carry more weight on it plus you keep the bags out of the spokes.
    Hi,

    I cant quite envisage your plan and the method of attachment at the points
    i'm not sure about. Personally if its are not too long I'd tiewrap it to
    the front of the rack and then bend it at points to align with the holes.

    (For your plan i'd guess you could use any cut oversized mudguard yoke.)

    It won't support as much weight as any straight arrangement but any
    bends will tend to suspend the luggage - other fixing points allowing.

    Might work well dropping the rear link of the rack, (or not).

    rgds, sreten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    Also you are in for a bit of wrenching when you want to take the front wheel off...Keep us updated on how you like it!
    The only problem removing the front wheel would be with the brakes, as they have no play to the sides of the rack. So the tyre would have to be fully deflated and worked through the caliper, which may or may not work. For emergencies I carry a liitle can of puncture repair goo though.

    That little rack is rock solid. I tried it out on Saturday (probably at about twice its rated capacity of 9kg...) and it performed great (together with a bungeed rucksack on the rear in a basket). Not a pleasure to ride at that weight obviously - except on climbs, where otherwise you get that 'unicycle feeling' on a small-wheeler - but perfectly possible. My 'LBS' is ordering a couple more front rollers for me, so I'll be able to tweak the weight distribution better. Should give 85+ litres carrying capacity (with a bag across the rear rack) which is not bad for any bike. How to shlep four front rollers round the supermarket, like a pack of four small dogs, is a bridge I'll cross when I get to it...

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    Been thinking I should tell you that also big bags can go in the front. I tend to put the front rollers in the back and the back rollers in the front when on a 20" folder (using the same front rack). Of course they are close to the ground, but as long as you are not doing offroad riding or really deep snow you should be fine. You can stuff more "stuff" in a backroller than a frontroller!
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    ^
    The first dumb mistake was buying black panniers - invisible from the side at night, cover the wheel/tyre reflectors, dark as a cave inside when rummaging for small items. Should have gone for white.

    Using large panniers on the front did occur to me in fact. There is certainly plenty of footroom for them. But then I'm a vain old git and I thought it might look just too goofy...

    The panniers are hard to fault, but an integrated possibility to swivel Back Rollers (or even front rollers - it's a close fit) to give more heel clearance would have been handy, not just for folders either I imagine.


    Ortlieb should make these in loud tartan for retro bikes ŕ la Raleigh Twenty. I already have the name: Bay City Rollers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis Shumaker View Post
    ^
    The first dumb mistake was buying black panniers - invisible from the side at night, cover the wheel/tyre reflectors, dark as a cave inside when rummaging for small items. Should have gone for white.

    Using large panniers on the front did occur to me in fact. There is certainly plenty of footroom for them. But then I'm a vain old git and I thought it might look just too goofy...

    The panniers are hard to fault, but an integrated possibility to swivel Back Rollers (or even front rollers - it's a close fit) to give more heel clearance would have been handy, not just for folders either I imagine.


    Ortlieb should make these in loud tartan for retro bikes ŕ la Raleigh Twenty. I already have the name: Bay City Rollers.
    Well, black is the new black.. Sounds like there is going to be a lot of ninja riding on you in the future..

    About vain old git. in that case you should not be riding a folder at all you know. "Bear on a bike"...


    Loud Tartan rollers: BNB would buy them instantly!

    Edit: Been thinking for some time that somebody should make reflective tape in black! That way we can look cool(ish) in daylight and glow at night..
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