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    @sreten and Joe Remi
    First of all, you are not the OP so it is not really importent if you are happy with the advice we give. Secondly, where is all the anger (and all the time you spend expressing it here) comming from? Any idea why Smallwheeler and I are the only peopel responding? Peopel ask and ask and ask, without taking the time to read first. If they did they would find that unless you know what you are doing, and unless you can do some wrenching there is no way to get a fairly good bike for next to nothing!

    Most peopel are cheap when buying bikes. Often it may be better to buy nothing instead of buying cheap. If you have no money and really need a folder then looking for a used better quality bike is the best you can do. The money spent on a cheap one can be totally wasted.

    If you have no money and no food you may have to start growing food. If you have no money and no folder you may have to start learning, unless you can trade favours. Ask any LBS if they are willing to take in a no name cheapo bike and tune it to work well, and what it would cost.

    We have been watching sreten (kicking and screaming) learning that "better tyres are better- and the best is to buy them on sale". The experience has been like watching somebody trying to take a XL christmas tree the wrong way (top first) trough the dor. Could you plse learn more quietly about the rest of the bike?

    I learned from my mother that "Empty drums make a lot of noice". I think I`ll change my profile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    @sreten and Joe Remi
    First of all, you are not the OP so it is not really importent if you are happy with the advice we give. Secondly, where is all the anger (and all the time you spend expressing it here) comming from? Any idea why Smallwheeler and I are the only peopel responding? Peopel ask and ask and ask, without taking the time to read first. If they did they would find that unless you know what you are doing, and unless you can do some wrenching there is no way to get a fairly good bike for next to nothing!

    Most peopel are cheap when buying bikes. Often it may be better to buy nothing instead of buying cheap. If you have no money and really need a folder then looking for a used better quality bike is the best you can do. The money spent on a cheap one can be totally wasted.

    If you have no money and no food you may have to start growing food. If you have no money and no folder you may have to start learning, unless you can trade favours. Ask any LBS if they are willing to take in a no name cheapo bike and tune it to work well, and what it would cost.

    We have been watching sreten (kicking and screaming) learning that "better tyres are better- and the best is to buy them on sale". The experience has been like watching somebody trying to take a XL christmas tree the wrong way (top first) trough the dor. Could you plse learn more quietly about the rest of the bike?

    I learned from my mother that "Empty drums make a lot of noice". I think I`ll change my profile.
    I reject your admonition to hush up. The gentleman asked for people who may have experience with that folder to talk about it. All he got was advice to buy a 40-year-old bike with obsolete parts specs, or a $600 Dahon. I see nothing helpful in that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
    I see nothing helpful in that.
    An this is not proof it is bad advice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo1903 View Post
    These folders are incredibly inexpensive. Anyone have any experience with any of the models on this website. I'm considering getting a 20" wheel model.

    http://www.green-cruiser.com/soloroc...ding-bike.html

    Thanks!
    I have no experience with the Green Cruiser but I do have experience with various inexpensive "fold-in-half" bikes and at such a low price point the main concern is the hinge. Aluminum does not make for a good hinge if it's poorly designed and executed, meaning it doesn't have interlocking surfaces on either side of the hinge for a tight fit and no bronze bushings for the hinge pin (a steel pin will quickly wear out an aluminum hinge). Unfortunately this has been the case with a lot of inexpensive folders that I've seen. Some even came from the factory with sloppy hinge pin fit so no matter how tight the clamp was adjusted there was still quite a bit of play in the frame. I've found that cheap steel "fold-in-half" frames have stronger and more wear resistant hinges than their aluminum counterparts.

    My advice when considering inexpensive folding bikes is to be very leery of aluminum frames and to only buy one that people have actual experience riding for a period of time. I have a KHS Mocha (6061 aluminum) that has a very large hinge, far stouter than most in it's price range and after less than a year it wore out and I had to fix it, something that entailed machining and welding skills. However my Citizen Miami's hinge (steel frame) shows no signs of wear and has absolutely no play in it even without the clamp being cinched down and it's been folded and unfolded several hundred times in a little less than a year.
    I plan on living forever... so far so good.

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    Since, like every other poster on the thread, I too have no absolutely no experience of the Solorock 20", I feel qualified to weigh in

    At the price I'd risk it. It doesn't look like a lemon. Not sure I'd trust it to hold up to 150 km a week commuting in all weathers year in year out, but then nobody ever used ye olde Eastern Bloc folders for that either. Today's fold better, have a lot more alloy and good brakes. You may be pleasantly surprised. Always a good winter/rain/pub/concert bike if and when you move on.

    That vintage Road King, admittedly, looks quite lovely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    ...We have been watching sreten (kicking and screaming) learning that "better tyres are better- and the best is to buy them on sale". The experience has been like watching somebody trying to take a XL christmas tree the wrong way (top first) trough the dor. Could you plse learn more quietly about the rest of the bike?
    Amusing imagery, I'll give you that, but not really fair. The discussion is a worthwhile one and the number of views on the 'cheap folding bike' thread seem to indicate widespread interest (not in a 'train crash' sort of way, it is to be hoped...)

    I will admit to buying my bikes pretty much on impulse. After a few decades one has an eye for what is a good buy/design and what isn't in bikes. The fact that these have been used just so much is evidence of how much fun they are, and just how well suited they have been to what I do. They could just as well have been left to gather dust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis Shumaker View Post
    .......but then nobody ever used ye olde Eastern Bloc folders for that either.

    Not a fact I am afraid. Eastern european or European built is not the big issue, but this type of bikes has done more miles than you can imagine. You`ll find a lot of pages documenting peopel using them. Sometimes just greased and adjusted, sometimes rebuilt so much you need to guess what they started as.

    http://raleightwenty.webs.com/

    http://dekter.net/bikes/r20.html

    http://sheldonbrown.com/org//raleigh-twenty.html

    http://www.bikexprt.com/bicycle/mytwenty.htm

    http://hadland.wordpress.com/2012/06...gh-twenty-r20/

    http://sheldonbrown.com/raleigh26.html

    http://tuckamoredew.wordpress.com/20...he-raleigh-20/

    http://projectr20.blogspot.no/

    http://home.comcast.net/~cheg01/r20.html

    http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=all&...+folder&m=text

    There is more if you want more. What I am trying to say is that a bike like this is going to place a big grin on your great grandchildrens face if you just keep it maintained, and it`ll survive WW5. This is why we want to tell peopel about this option.

    I like the red one for the angle of the hinge= more compact fold than the R20. Also fairly long wheelbase. Somebody mentioned an old Pug folder, that is a different matter. A folder is not a folder.

    Nobody is ever going to post this muc about the Solorock 20 or any other similar bike.

    Also read this post about what can happen to a fair quality alu bike from a well known company: http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...2-Dahon-Mu-Uno You need to know what you are dealing with when you ride and buy folders, if not go with something bomb proof!

    The fact that the "cheap folders" threads has a lot of visitors is just telling me that peopel want a lot for nothing.


    Also read BNB`s post in this thread about cheap folders. Buy the right thing and be prepaired to weld. Problem is peopel do not always get the answer they want, and they are not always prepaired to read what others have experienced.

    Edit: I think the really bad bikes- so called BSO`s (bike shaped objects) also called "boat anchors" if heavy enough is a big polution problems since they are poured out on the marked- to peopel who hope to get a lot for nothing and end up not using them. I see them in the dumpster all the time (when I pop in to look for old Miyatas and Nikishis) and I would not touch them with a pair of plyers.

    Also I think the really crappy bikes is a crime against mankind since peopel who buy them learn that bikes is not reiable transport and great fun, it is just problems and frustration.
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    you guys ..... sometimes you crack me up .... yes bicycles is my livelyhood ..but even I suspct that most of hem are JUST a bicycle after all.... lol
    It all depends whats the best bike for somebody ..I stay firmly to my mantra : Every bike which gets ridden is a good bike ... and therein lies the problem, there is so much junk out there, which is a bicycle but after a couple of lukewarm experiences they are hanging in the garage from the rafters and dont get used anymore ... than after 10 years of bumping your head on one of those they get sold in a garage sale or on craigslist or or ro for pennies ... and the owner has lost all the fun of using a bike in the last ten years ...

    Soooo the crux is ... is it wortthwhile to steer a person who is looking for a 200 dlr bike towards a 600 dlr bike ? I think Yes as those bikes deliver at least a good foundation and the fun factor rises exponetially ...
    Yes I rather have a person who doesnt have the money to buy something used than nothing at all ( or new junk) \

    Its NOT that difficult to set some goals to save some gas ( and get in shape) and have fun doing it..... to find an excuse to spend a little more than originally thought ... just sayin

    If somebody doesnt get it through the Misses, have her call me and I explain what a great "investment" it is for the hubby to spend some extra cash...lol

    Now folks...calm down , everybody has his/her opinion whats best ... and thats what the OP wants to hear ...
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    The only thing missing from this thread is "Forget all that, get a Brompton!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
    The only thing missing from this thread is "Forget all that, get a Brompton!"
    Good point. What colour should he get?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Remi View Post
    ... "Forget all that, get a Brompton!"
    And this thread can now be closed.
    I plan on living forever... so far so good.

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    THE GOLDEN BROMPTON OF DESTINY:

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    Actually, the price on horses is not bad these days. That may be a better option..
    °Empty drums make a lot of noice... (Old Hungarian proverb).

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    Hi,

    A bikes a bike and people are not stupid. They know you essentially
    get what you pay for, but at the budget end that can vary a lot.

    (I've seen my £100 bike going for £200 and in one case £400!).

    Patronising snobbery doesn't help, and neither does the assumption
    that all cheap bikes are crap, and the only cheap bikes worth having
    are old ones, there is no indication the OP is interested in an old bike.

    I've hardly been dragged "kicking and screaming" to update my tyres.
    In fact I got no advice to do so, and decided to do it myself.

    The idea that I should somehow do all this is the privacy of my own
    ignorance to prevent the folding bike guru's being bored is stupid.

    In 40 years time people will still do up 40 year old bikes. The idea
    they won't and will prefer 70 year old bikes doesn't make a lot of
    sense. You will want do up bikes you saw new as kid, c'est la vie.

    rgds, sreten.
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    Sometimes the derailed threads are the most interesting ones

    Far be it from me to scratch at the Raleigh Twenty's mythological unicorn status, but do remember it was not a cheap bike. About equivalent to the 500-600 USD the average bicycle costs today. The fact that you can find plenty used ones today is of course due to the fact that so many were produced, and so many were left in the garage.
    Fair enough, a solid, well-designed bike, and you were getting plenty Sheffield steel for your money. Similar bikes are still available. I imagine loads of them have gone round the world and done very well. I imagine Bulgarian folders have done the same, and someone has done it on a pogo-stick. Low-tech is a sensible choice.

    Today's lowest-end folder is generally a crap choice for a buyer new to bikes. For a tinkerer with a little common sense they can be a good buy.

    So what did I get for the price of two visits to the filling station?

    A bike frame-painted and assembled in the country I live in.
    Stout aluminium frame w/ steel fork, which admittedly may have been welded by Chinese child prisoners (the smart money is on robots though). 10 year guarantee on the frame.
    Alloy rims on standard alloy 36-spoke hubs. Shimano internal geared hub. Off-brand Schwalbe tyres.
    Alloy suspension seatpost, Italian-made saddle.
    LED generator lighting front and back.
    Steel mudguards and rack. Chainguard. Reliable brakes. Stainless folding hardware.
    Folding pedals.
    Carrying bag and pump were included.


    I don't think that's all that unusual at that price point if you do your homework. Compared to vintage folders it rides better, folds better, weighs less, stops sooner, rusts less. As much as it pains me to say it, we owe that to Chinese know-how. There is a reason we are riding what we ride, and not 'Twenty' replicas from India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badmother View Post
    @sreten and Joe Remi
    If they did they would find that unless you know what you are doing, and unless you
    can do some wrenching there is no way to get a fairly good bike for next to nothing!
    Hi,

    That has been said, and similarly the only old bikes worth having
    are ones that have been looked after. Again people are not stupid
    and most can work out if they don't know one end of a spanner
    from the other they shouldn't be buying a very budget bike.

    Nor should they be buying an old bike, unless its cheap and
    they know someone who can check and sort out the basics.

    If you can't do any wrenching an old bike is a very dumb idea.

    rgds, sreten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis Shumaker View Post
    I don't think that's all that unusual at that price point if you do your homework.
    Hi,

    I think what you got from Aldi at that discounted price point is very unusual.
    Not saying such deals don't exist but they are very hard to find generally.

    More than likely a companies bankrupt stock sold by Aldi at a price far
    less than a profitable margin for a going concern, and you also got
    an additional discount below that price, nice for you, but not typical.

    rgds, sreten.
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    No harder than finding a good used folder for sensible money in my experience. Several online offerings posted since that look OK.

    Aldi have these every year BTW. Scan the small ads a few weeks later to pick up the 'ridden twice, missus wants an electric' ones

    Bikes end up unused mostly because they are unsuited to the rider, not because they were bought too cheap IMHO. Heavy suspension hybrids, no lights or mudguards, unattractive, too big or too small, inability to mend a puncture, left outside and got rusty, the list is endless. It has to be an open secret that standard bike components, even the cheapest ones, have a level nowadays that stands up well to most normal riding.

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    Hi,

    I won't disagree, if you know your stuff and know where
    to look used, you can generally do far better with used.

    rgds, sreten.

    Aldi in the UK, as yet, don't sell bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sreten View Post
    More than likely a companies bankrupt stock sold by Aldi at a price far
    less than a profitable margin for a going concern
    Bit of mental arithmetic and guesstimation tells me

    - ordering 30 000 of one model for Germany alone. Keeps factory running. No profit for producer.
    - factory building 2-3 bikes a minute (no min. wage, on doorstep, reliable workforce)
    - 40% discount to shift one pallet space in cramped branch. Low double figure loss for branch. Branch manager out of firing line.

    No big deal for that particular retailer. The scale is unreal.

    Quote Originally Posted by sreten View Post
    Aldi in the UK, as yet, don't sell bikes.
    Guessing again at maybe +EUR 10 per folder for the logistics it won' t take long for them to turn up. They seem to have the the same junk as us otherwise
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