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Old 03-05-13, 09:35 AM   #1
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new to the forum and need advice.

Hi folks, my name is alex and i,m from scotland, and i am about to purchase a dahon folder,
but i need something that i can do some long distance touring on has anyone got any advice on which model to choose?
I will only be using back rack and two back panniers so travelling quite light. tent, sleeping bag, bike tools, some light clothes, etc...

Your help is much appreciated.

Thanks
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Hi folks, my name is alex and i,m from scotland, and i am about to purchase a dahon folder,
but i need something that i can do some long distance touring on has anyone got any advice on which model to choose?
I will only be using back rack and two back panniers so travelling quite light. tent, sleeping bag, bike tools, some light clothes, etc...

Your help is much appreciated.

Thanks
Alex.
The longer more varied terrain you are going to be cycling, the more important (in my opinion) that it be geared appropriately.

In general, make sure it's comfortable, particularly if you're going to be on it for long periods of time.

Are you looking only at 20" wheels or bigger (or smaller) as well?

The more you tell us, the more we can help you.

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Hi welcome to the fold
There are so many models of Dahons and Terns and and a few others..lol that this might be mindboggling to say the least.

You would need a traveller rear rack ( higher than the arclite ) and gives you some more clearnce for panniers.... Most bikes do NOT come with that ... so you will need to figure in the upcharge for that carrier ( 60 to 75 dlr)

Good part is that it will fit on most folding bnikes..certainlay all Tern and Dahon ....

Now the next question... you can choose between STeel frame or Alloy frame bikes
Internal gears or external and a combination thereoff
20 inch or bigger ...( inside joke for our Brommy friends)
and and and

are you looking for used or new ?
do you commute with it as well ... how many times a day folding ? or "just" for weekend trips ?

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it will be 20" wheels and it will be a new bike alloy frame or steel it doesnt matter for me its going to be used for a 6 month road trip around scotland and europe... france, holland, germany, and would need a good gearing set up for those dreaded hills haha! external gears. hope this helps. my budget will be 750 just for the bike.
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If you were here in the USA I would seriously suggest the Bike Friday Companion Select 16 (16 speed, not 16" wheels) which is available in three sizes and sells for $995 USD. But then maybe shipping costs aren't too outrageous.

http://www.bikefriday.com/bicycles/touring/1161
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If you were here in the USA I would seriously suggest the Bike Friday Companion Select 16 (16 speed, not 16" wheels) which is available in three sizes and sells for $995 USD. But then maybe shipping costs aren't too outrageous.

http://www.bikefriday.com/bicycles/touring/1161
Actually, could be shipping and tax...
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Avon Valley (Bath) is the UK representitive for bike friday, they would import, wholesale then retail to buyer.
http://www.avonvalleycyclery.co.uk/A...=bike%20friday
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it will be 20" wheels and it will be a new bike alloy frame or steel it doesnt matter for me its going to be used for a 6 month road trip around scotland and europe... france, holland, germany, and would need a good gearing set up for those dreaded hills haha! external gears. hope this helps. my budget will be 750 just for the bike.
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What about comfort/ suspension?
Bikes with suspension is often heavy, more maintenance and cost. In my opinion nothing you need if you are not counting on seriousely bad roads.
Alu is said to be stiffer to ride, so you may want cushy tyres and maybe also sprung saddle if you buy alu.
Steel (at least better quality bikes) is said to be more "cushy" in the feel, you may want this if you like the narrow hard tyres like some do.


Do you want the seatpost with a pump innside it? May be smart on a trip like that. Steel is easyer to repair (welding) if needed. Does colour matter?
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Old 03-05-13, 11:36 AM   #9
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Avon Valley (Bath) is the UK representitive for bike friday, they would import, wholesale then retail to buyer.
http://www.avonvalleycyclery.co.uk/A...=bike%20friday
yea the bike fridays are amazing but a bit to much out of my price range which is a shame.:
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One of the three top ones http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dahon/ maybe? The last one is a Nuvinchi hub but that may be something you`ll like a lot..


Edit: actually, that is far more than your budget. Calculation error. The is less than I expected..

Would you want a new bike or is lightly used an option? Is budget with rack included?

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Old 03-05-13, 12:48 PM   #11
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well folks i think i am going to go with this as my tourer.
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/dahon-visc-p18-2013/
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well, of the dahons available from that site, you definitely chose the best looking one.
interesting to watch dahon regain its footing after the divorce...
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Old 03-05-13, 01:32 PM   #13
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i also looked at this.
http://www.bicyclehero.com/gb/dahon-...cle-cloud.html
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dahon has done a very good job with the mini velo bikes like the dash. also, one of their most underrated bikes was the cadenza p8. alfine 8 hub, disc brakes, wicked frame locking mech. it was awesome... of course, they promptly stopped making it. Dahon = ADD


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Hi,

With 20" wheels two back panniers is not an option,
you'll get heel strike, and generally two front panniers
are a better option. You need to think it all through.

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Hi,

With 20" wheels two back panniers is not an option,
you'll get heel strike, and generally two front panniers
are a better option. You need to think it all through.

rgds, sreten.
That depends on a lot of factors but I've been able to avoid heel strike by mounting a rack up higher than just above the rear wheel and setting the panniers towards the back of the rack.
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That depends on a lot of factors but I've been able to avoid heel strike by mounting a rack up
higher than just above the rear wheel and setting the panniers towards the back of the rack.
Hi,

Indeed. Standard panniers won't work. You need to think it through.

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Like BNB said: Standard panniers on a tall rack: "avoid heel strike by mounting a rack up higher than just above the rear wheel and setting the panniers towards the back of the rack."

Plenty of racks like that on the marked. You may want to look into a folding rack if you think you want to go small sometimes. A bike folded with the tall racks can be quite a lot bigger than standard racks: http://store.bikefriday.com/index.ph...a2d7e&cPath=64
http://www.premiumbikegear.com/ternb...ertm-rack.html

On the other hand it is recomended on a 20" folder that you carry some (or even most) of the load in front. Partly becouse on a folder a bigger % of the riders weight is transfered to the rear wheel but also becouse most folders feels more stable with some load in the front.

My suggestion is to get the Dahon frontrack http://www.flickr.com/photos/7265463...n/photostream/ and a regular low rack in the back and use a racktop bag or similar there (if that is enough for your need of course). No need to go for the small front bags with that rack unless you want to go offroad.

The second folder you linked to is a great looking bike but I think you may run into problems traveling with it. It is not considered a real foldingbike around here (too big folded) and therefor you may not be allowed on the trains you want and you may have to pay for the bike. A regular 20" (or smaller) bike in a bag is just "luggage" and free to travel with.
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Rear rack sits High above the smaller wheels in Back , just so You Can use common panniers.
It does leave a space between the Mudgiard over the rear tire and the underside of the rack for a long stuffsack.
so it does not have to be wasted space.

but the bags should be rearset further to get heel clearance.
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Not wasted space under the rack, absolutely. Just saying that sometimes when entering a plane, train or similar size matters and there can be situations where the tall rear rack is a problem. Can be solved by using a foldable one.
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yea about the paniers I have sorted it all out having the rack fitted higher than usual this is getting all done at the shop where i am getting the bike Thanks for all the davice guys its much appreciated!
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6 month road trip around scotland and europe... france, holland, germany
Any idea of particular areas to tour, Alex, or is it just as the fancy takes you?
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hi, i think i will take it as it comes so i dont feel restricted, as ong as i have a map i will figure the routes out on the day haha
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some nice classic dahon photos at this link. http://picsbox.biz/key/dahon%20iii%20classic
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