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    New to folders! Citizen Miami? Gotham 7?? HELP!!

    Hey everyone,

    Ready to buy my first folder but which one to choose??

    I initially was going to go with Citizen's Miami model: 6-speed, 32 lbs. But now I'm considering spending a little more on their Gotham 7: 7-speed, 28 lbs, merely for the difference in weight.

    I'm 5'2 105 pounds so lugging around a 32 lb bike's a bit much for me!

    Open to other suggestions I guess, but I gotta say, Citizen's got the best looking folders in my opinion and I'd be lying if I said that wasn't a factor in my decision making thus far. BUT I must be practical about it....

    ALSO, not trying to spend more than $350 on a bike. Honestly not gonna be using it that often.
    I'm gonna be biking on flat, smooth streets for the most part, also.

    The Downtube Nova's on sale right now too. I've heard a lot of good things about this bike...

    Appreciate any advice you guys! Thanks!
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    My brother's family owns 3 Tokyo Citizens. They seem to enjoy them.
    I borrowed one a few times when I visited them last year. It was fun to
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUUCaoVUtEI

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    Thanks 1nterceptor, that's actually the first of the Citizen models I was considering

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    Downtube Nova is a lightweight bike (spec'ed at 24lb)

    http://www.downtube.com/product541.html

    My wife has a green one and love it.
    Happier than a camel on wednesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRaptis88 View Post
    ... I gotta say, Citizen's got the best looking folders in my opinion and I'd be lying if I said that wasn't a factor in my decision making thus far...
    I'd have to agree... I've had more people comment (positively) on the looks of my Citizen Miami over my far more expensive (but higher quality) Bike Friday NWT.

    IMHO if you don't mind the lower overall gearing of the Tokyo, that may be one of your best options.

    On a side note, my Miami rolls easily when folded and when using the saddle and extended seat post as a handle, so I rarely find the need to carry it. If I were your size and wanted a bike for occasional flat land travel, I'd most likely go with a Tokyo.
    I plan on living forever... so far so good.

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    Beach Cruiser - Need lightweight bike

    I have a 26" Folding Beach Cruiser.

    It is much too heavy. White the folding capability is convenient, it's really not because it is to heavy for me to lift in and out the car.

    I need something in the range of 14 to 20 pounds. Minimum weight is my priority.

    Any suggestions?????

    Bd

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    What's your budget? Need gears?

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    Quote Originally Posted by diswalker View Post
    I have a 26" Folding Beach Cruiser.

    It is much too heavy. White the folding capability is convenient, it's really not because it is to heavy for me to lift in and out the car.

    I need something in the range of 14 to 20 pounds. Minimum weight is my priority.

    Any suggestions?????

    Bd
    14-20 lbs? How much do you want to spend because it's definitely going to cost you to get that low.
    I plan on living forever... so far so good.

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    Let's be realistic. To get down to those weights, you are going to need a budget of around $3000 plus. On the other hand, if you don't mind very small wheels, and don't really need a multiple gear bike, an A-bike or a Carryme can be a consideration. The A-bike is under $400, and the Carryme is just over $600. There is a two speed version that about $300 more. They both weigh well under 20 pounds.

    If you are still looking for a "normal" folding bike that has multiple gears, and is relatively light though not as low as you stated, the Downtube Nova is 24 lbs., and will cost you less than $350. Of course I don't know what your budget is so maybe you can look at the high end folders.

    Good luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diswalker View Post
    I have a 26" Folding Beach Cruiser.

    It is much too heavy. White the folding capability is convenient, it's really not because it is to heavy for me to lift in and out the car.

    I need something in the range of 14 to 20 pounds. Minimum weight is my priority.

    Any suggestions?????

    Bd
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    I invite you to visit our website at origamibicycles.com. Our Crane might be just what you are looking for. Lightweight, rolls nicely when folded, and it comes equipped with a real and fenders at no extra cost.

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    Need lightweight 26" bike

    Quote Originally Posted by 1nterceptor View Post
    What's your budget? Need gears?
    I'm not sure of my budget, although I have one. The gears are not relevant. What is key is the weight. It doesn't have to be folding.
    It needs to be simple to ride and simple to take off front tire if necessary to load into car, but lightweight. I am 6'0 tall. I'm thinking 18 lbs, 20 lbs max. I'm also thinking smaller wheels would require more peddling.
    I right for leisure but also wish to join in group ridding for leisure.

    Thank you
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    http://www.thorusa.com/tern/eclipsepx20.htm that would be ok for group rides .... still folds and is pretty light ..

    18 to 20 real, I mean REAL, not marketing weight without pedals ..is pretty much vapourware... Not impossible
    http://www.thorusa.com/tern/vergex20.htm ( take the double ring derraileur off and make it 10 speed. Find some Titanium pedals carbon saddle and u will be under 20 lbs ...

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    My Mu SL was 20lbs 7oz with pedals and stock tires. I'm sure the current 1.35" Kojaks added a little weight. I believe there were like 2 Helios models that were lighter than that. Don't know why the current crop of folders are as heavy as they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dynaryder View Post
    My Mu SL was 20lbs 7oz with pedals and stock tires. I'm sure the current 1.35" Kojaks added a little weight. I believe there were like 2 Helios models that were lighter than that. Don't know why the current crop of folders are as heavy as they are.
    I've still got an original 20th anniversary Helios XX .. I think the lightest production weight ever for a Dahon at under 17lbs... Rolf wheels, SRAM X0, Nokon cables, and it's a 9 speed .. certainly not as stiff as the Mu, but not a bad ride at all..

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    hey Bruce I have one too.... thinking on selling mine though ... but it aint gonna be cheap lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by diswalker View Post
    I'm not sure of my budget, although I have one. The gears are not relevant. What is key is the weight. It doesn't have to be folding.
    It needs to be simple to ride and simple to take off front tire if necessary to load into car, but lightweight. I am 6'0 tall. I'm thinking 18 lbs, 20 lbs max. I'm also thinking smaller wheels would require more peddling.
    I right for leisure but also wish to join in group ridding for leisure.

    Thank you
    I think it is going to be difficult to get what you want in any bike. There are full sized bikes that weigh 17 lbs or so, but they cost several thousand dollars and are made of carbon fiber and designed for racing - you likely would not like to ride a bike like that. There are a handful of sub 20 lb folders, but not many and they also tend to be expensive and hard to find.

    What you might consider as an alternative would be to get a hitch rack for your car - here's a picture of one I found on the internet, although there are several different styles:



    imagefly.aspx?w=666&h=550&p=contentimages%u00252FThuleDT_3.jpg

    You could then get a nonfolding lightish hybrid or whatever and use the rack to transport it.

    The rack doesn't make the bikes any lighter, of course, but you only have to lift the bike up about 1 foot off the ground - which is much less awkward than the lifting you have to do to get the bike in and out of a car.

    And if weight is absolutely critical, on a "tray mount" rack like this one (where the bike is supported by the wheels as opposed to being hung by the bars), you can lift the front wheel off the ground - while keeping the back wheel on the ground - and place the front wheel in the tray. You can then lift the back wheel up into the tray, using the fact that the front wheel is in the tray for leverage.

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    what about a minivelo?

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