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Old 10-22-13, 03:30 PM   #1
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[OriBikes Surpaz] Reviews of CR87/AR18? Ordering from Europe?

Hello

I'm looking for a fast folder that I can use on multi-day trips, doing about 120km/80miles a day on flat areas, but also have enough low speeds to climb the occasional moutain.

Besides Dahon (Dash P18, MuP P27, Visc P18) and Tern (Verge P18, X10, X20), I like the Surpaz models (CR87 and AR18) from Oribikes and have a couple of questions:
  1. If you own one of them or have tried one long enough, would you say they're good options to ride a whole day?
  2. Since the only dealer in Europe only offers the commuter models, can I order them directly from Singapore or some dealer elsewhere?
  3. How much do the CR87 and AR18 cost?

Thank you.
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Old 10-23-13, 06:34 AM   #2
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If you ask the ori owners on the mezzo\ori threads you may get some networking going to get a price.

I suggest also considering getting a cheap used 135 mm old bike. Ie downtube, mezzo or birdie and going the multi speed IHG or dual drive routes. See dual drive mezzo thread

I rode the tern 24 speed dual drive 20" wheeled bike. Joe D24? It was very nice, tad heavy ,but very good indeed,very well speced tourer. 500 new on offer on line ,what's not to like?
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Thanks for the info. I already have a Birdy with a Dual drive (24 speeds) and I was curious to see if the OriBikes would make for faster bikes for long, multi-day trips.
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All I know is ....

The full carbon dropped bar version of the supra 27 speed come up at about 3000 on ebay occassionaly.

The carbon fork model 20" is about 1500 occasionaly on ebay.

Feedback from my mezzo experience is that it is a bit stiff and unforgiving ride but can be set up to be very quick.
See mezzo upgrade thread.
The supra range features 20 bikes with longer wheel bases so should be more comforable for longer distances.
I use a telescopic suspesnion seat post for off road on my mezzo.
I also own a birdie and my upgraded dualdrive mezzo is a lot quicker if that informs.

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The lack of response to your inquiry suggests that there are not to many ORI owners or buyers out here.

Its too bad and I hope things change for the better. I have looked at the current ORI offering on-line and it appears that they have some of the most current/evolved designs and utilize the latest materials mfg. techniques AND come with top shelf components.

Some of the older designed folders should take note.
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The lack of response to your inquiry suggests that there are not to many ORI owners or buyers out here.

Its too bad and I hope things change for the better. I have looked at the current ORI offering on-line and it appears that they have some of the most current/evolved designs and utilise the latest materials . techniques AND come with top shelf components.

IiSome of the older designed folders should take note.
+1

Yes its good to see teconologly that's desirable instead of threaded headsets, limited gears,etc. Good to see modern materials like carbon, proper quality cranks.
Dahon have been doing a lot of this stuff, but the overal fold concept of a dahon is lacking behind Ori imo.
Needs promoting to help bring folding bikes in to 21 century. I hope they can push on rather than be a minority product.

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Yes its good to see teconologly that's desirable instead of threaded headsets, limited gears,etc. Good to see modern materials like carbon, proper quality cranks.
Dahon have been doing a lot of this stuff, but the overal fold concept of a dahon is lacking behind Ori imo.
Needs promoting to help bring folding bikes in to 21 century. I hope they can push on rather than be a minority product.
what's wrong with a threaded headset?
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Re threaded headset.
Surprised you asked.
Expander bolt stem option heavier afaik.
Less stem options.
Harder to remove headset and stem.
More and larger tools
Harder to adjust.
Tendancy to come loose with time even if set up properly on mbt,trails bikes,BMX bikes hence acs and mks used to make locking bolts with grub screws in when I raced bvmx bikes.

On a road bike they are fine once set up, but I prefer a modern set up that allows options like combined bars and stems and more options for stems, oversized bars,open clamps etc.
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I think the Ori range of bikes is excellent, there genuinely is something there for most tastes and agree the design and engineering is up to date, well it's base design was by an ex formula 1 suspension designer who also penned some excellent full suspension mtbs.
I too would like to hear some comments from owners of these bikes, this is the closest so far but you have already seen it Winfried so not much help to you. http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...-AR9-Test-Ride
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what's wrong with a threaded headset?
You need a bloody big spanner to adjust it
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Re threaded headset.
Surprised you asked.
Expander bolt stem option heavier afaik.
Less stem options.
Harder to remove headset and stem.
More and larger tools
Harder to adjust.
Tendancy to come loose with time even if set up properly on mbt,trails bikes,BMX bikes hence acs and mks used to make locking bolts with grub screws in when I raced bvmx bikes.

On a road bike they are fine once set up, but I prefer a modern set up that allows options like combined bars and stems and more options for stems, oversized bars,open clamps etc.
thanks for that.

actually, i asked because i don't have experience with anything else (except integrated headsets which i think are very problematic).
in other words, i've never owned a bike with a threadless headset.
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You need a bloody big spanner to adjust it
Srsly. I have a 4-in-1 headset wrench,and every once in awhile I'll get a bike in my clinic that needs a different size and I wind up having to send them to a shop.

It is nice that they have some built-in up/down adjustment,but on the two bikes where I've needed to adjust the stem(Safari,Hooligan 3),they both had adjustable threadless stems that also changed the angle as well.
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Srsly. I have a 4-in-1 headset wrench,and every once in awhile I'll get a bike in my clinic that needs a different size and I wind up having to send them to a shop.
I bought a big adjustable spanner that I bought specifically for doing headsets but on the odd occasion I have had to resort to my comedy stilsons as the jaws on the adjustable just weren't big enough. That was in the olden days and now we just need a 6mm allen key.
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You need a bloody big spanner to adjust it
it's not an expensive tool

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Thanks for the feedback. Too bad those higher-end models aren't available in Europe. I guess I'll have to order one from a store in Asia.

http://www.oribikes.com/ori/dealer/dealer.php
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Might be worth contacting the European distributors to ask if they can get the model you want.
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Might be worth contacting the European distributors to ask if they can get the model you want.
It looks like there isn't a single distributor for the whole of Europe, but rather one in Benelux and the other in Spain:
http://www.oribikes.com/ori/dealer/dealer.php

Besides, they only import the M/C series, not the Surpaz series:
http://www.oribikes.com/ori/products/products.php

Out of curiosity, are the three Mezzo models (D9, D9 Curve, D10) available in the UK different from the M/C models from Ori? When clicking on "Specifications" on the Mezzo web site, nothing pops up
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Besides, they only import the M/C series, not the Surpaz series:
http://www.oribikes.com/ori/products/products.php
Have you contacted to see if they will import the Surpaz?

Below are the specs for the D9 Curve taken from the Mezzo web site. Looking at the Ori website it seems that the sport and eco M/c series have the rack removed and the shorter/different mud guards to reduce weight. They may also have lighter components but I can not confirm that as I have not studies the specs. City, urban and classic look to be very similar to the Mezzo.

Colour Anodised graphite / blue
Bottom Bracket Sealed cartridge
Frame - Fork 6061 aluminium frameset
Cassette SRAM PG-950 PGII 11-26T
Headset VP Threadless 1 1/8"
Seatpost Mezzo 31.6mm x 550mm hard anodised alloy
Hubs Alloy anodised black, sealed bearings, 28 hole
Saddle Mezzo d9 Comfort
Spokes Stainless steel, silver, brass nipples
Handlebar Alloy 2" rise
Rims Alloy, black
Grips Dual density comfort
Tyres Mezzo 16" x 1 3/8" with Kevlar puncture protection
Brakes Alloy dual pivot callipers
Shifter SRAM Attack
Brake Levers Alloy 4 finger
Rear Derailleur Shimano Tiagra
Pedals Folding, black
Crankset Mezzo 54 tooth with chainguard - 170mm
Extras Integrated rack and mudguards

GEAR INCHES
Gear ratios for 54 x 11-26t are:
11t: 78.9 17t: 51.0 26t: 33.4
12t: 72.3 19t: 44.0
13t: 66.8 21t: 41.3
15t: 57.9 23t: 37.7

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