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Old 11-04-13, 03:38 PM   #1
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Swift folders owners: Do nyc doorman let you take the regular elevator?

Hi,

I work freelance in NYC. During the course of a year, I work in 2 or 3 different office buildings. Some are bike friendly, some are not. Some buildings make you take your bike outside by 4:30pm each day (before the freight elevator shuts down for the day). This is a problem if you normally work until 6pm.

I am thinking about getting a Swift Folder. But since it doesn't fold up so small, I'm wondering if most NYC office buildings will allow it in their regular elevators, or if they are sent to the freight.

So if you own a Swift, please let me know what your experience has been with getting it into your office building.

PS- I know if I buy a Brompton, this will not be an issue. But I had a Brompton and I do not want another.

Thanks.
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Old 11-04-13, 03:43 PM   #2
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Thre are other folding bikes besides Brompton that should solve your problem. Is there some reason that you are stuck on the Swift?
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Old 11-04-13, 04:44 PM   #3
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Hey Rusty Brooklyn. I have a Brompton and my office building does not allow me to take the regular elevators. I have to take the freight elevators even with a Brompton, so I think you might run into the issue regardless. I travel between 6 buildings in Manhattan and all of them require me to use the freight.

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Old 11-04-13, 04:57 PM   #4
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Hi JT,

The last building I worked in, was not bike friendly. But I was able to take the regular elevator because I had the special black nylon Brompton bag that fits/hides the folded Brompton.

Do you have the Brompton bag and they still make you use the freight?
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Hey Rusty, I don't have the black bag. However, I was aware of the restriction by reading another thread on this forum and before I even picked up my Brompton, I asked security in the building and they told me I had to use the freight. I assume that I could put the cover on it and no one would probably know the difference, but I am OK with using the freight. I feel like a VIP because I get to take the elevator (usually by myself) and don't have to worry about the elevator being packed. I plan on getting the bag either way because I never know when I might have to go to another building that I may be able to just go through the front door.

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I just blow past them with my Brompton. They have no authority to stop me.
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I just blow past them with my Brompton. They have no authority to stop me.
Uh, yes they do. Private property owners can make whatever rules they want about their properties. The NFL just took my right to carry in any of their stadiums. Even though state (and federal) law gives me the right to carry nation wide. Don't like it don't go there.
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I work in midtown Manhattan and my organization has a few bldgs.
I believe they all have a no regular bike policy in the bldgs. Not thru
the main elevators or freight elevators or stairs. But I've brought my
Brompton inside all of them many time times, no problems. I have the
cover but I never felt the need to use it. My suggestion is; whatever
bike you choose to buy, get a cover.
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Uh, yes they do. Private property owners can make whatever rules they want about their properties. The NFL just took my right to carry in any of their stadiums. Even though state (and federal) law gives me the right to carry nation wide. Don't like it don't go there.
Funny coming from someone named rebel. Walk by and see if they touch you. Most security guards can't do much to you and threatening to hit the fire exit will set them straight. I wouldn't try it at an NFL stadium though. There might be real cops around there. Generally, you can get through most things by just walking through. Also, don't try at airports is one of the other ones off the top of my head. Adding "uh" before a statement just makes you sound like a monkey.
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Uh, I am in the law enforcement game. And, uh, most security guards are unlikely to touch you. They can certainly stop you from entering though, if they are on the ball. Don't, uh, um, forget many places hire retired and off duty cops to do security. But yeah, fast moving and confidence do go, uh, a long way.
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Uh, I am in the law enforcement game. And, uh, most security guards are unlikely to touch you. They can certainly stop you from entering though, if they are on the ball. Don't, uh, um, forget many places hire retired and off duty cops to do security. But yeah, fast moving and confidence do go, uh, a long way.
its a shame there isn't a 'like' button like, uh, on facebook.
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Uh, I am in the law enforcement game. And, uh, most security guards are unlikely to touch you. They can certainly stop you from entering though, if they are on the ball. Don't, uh, um, forget many places hire retired and off duty cops to do security. But yeah, fast moving and confidence do go, uh, a long way.
uh, yeah. just don't "clench" while you are moving quickly and confidently...
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I heard dude was into it.
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Doormen? Do they still exist? Around here we have electronic badges to open doors.
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Uh, I am in the law enforcement game. And, uh, most security guards are unlikely to touch you. They can certainly stop you from entering though, if they are on the ball. Don't, uh, um, forget many places hire retired and off duty cops to do security. But yeah, fast moving and confidence do go, uh, a long way.
Did you fail verbal judo in the academy? Security guard companies generally won't cover their healthcare or legal fees if you threaten to sue and the pay of maybe twelve dollars an hour is hardly worth it. What are they going to do, call the cops and cry that someone with a folding bike walked past them? They could play it up as a bomb, that would just make it easier for you to press charges.
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OP You should call Transportation Alternatives ( You should also join Transportation Alternatives, bicycle and advocacy in NYC ) They have a great deal of information on how to address just such a problem.

and Uh, if that doesn't work bring rebel w/ you.
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Did you fail verbal judo in the academy? Security guard companies generally won't cover their healthcare or legal fees if you threaten to sue and the pay of maybe twelve dollars an hour is hardly worth it. What are they going to do, call the cops and cry that someone with a folding bike walked past them? They could play it up as a bomb, that would just make it easier for you to press charges.
Easy sweetie, as I said your walk with confidence technique would probably be effective. But don't make the mistake of thinking that a square badge on private property can't ruin your day. With your employer if nothing else.
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To give you an idea of Swift versus Brompton. I use to carry my Swift into my office but felt it was too big to carry into cafes/coffee shops, pubs, shops, post office etc







The Swift is a fantastic rigid/fast small wheeled bike that semi folds and is ideal if you want to put it in the back of a car, however I take my Brompton everywhere/anywhere and have never been stopped/questioned.

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Thanks for the photos, Jerry. They are much appreciated.

I've never been stopped when my Brompton is in the bag. But the Swift looks like it's folded size would be too conspicuous in a building with anti-bike management, even if you found a bag that would fit it properly.

I've worked in a few anti-bike buildings. It's not a matter of rushing by the doormen with confidence. The sort of place that makes you show ID every time. No matter how many times a day you re-enter the building. It's not just about the whims/willfulness of the individual doormen, but also their bosses- the building management.

For those of you who feel they would still prevail in such a building, I invite you to visit NYC and flex your chutzpah. Make a day of it. Try 20 random buildings. Report back to us on the effectiveness of barreling past the doormen with a steely look in your eye.
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Being unpleasant to rent a cops-folks getting paid not much -is kinda..........

Is riding the freight elevator a problem-as it much slower and much farther away?
Guessing there is some problem with the freight elevator that makes it less convenient.
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Hi,

I work freelance in NYC. During the course of a year, I work in 2 or 3 different office buildings. Some are bike friendly, some are not. Some buildings make you take your bike outside by 4:30pm each day (before the freight elevator shuts down for the day). This is a problem if you normally work until 6pm.

I am thinking about getting a Swift Folder. But since it doesn't fold up so small, I'm wondering if most NYC office buildings will allow it in their regular elevators, or if they are sent to the freight.

So if you own a Swift, please let me know what your experience has been with getting it into your office building.

PS- I know if I buy a Brompton, this will not be an issue. But I had a Brompton and I do not want another.

Thanks.
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Being unpleasant to rent a cops-folks getting paid not much -is kinda..........

Is riding the freight elevator a problem-as it much slower and much farther away?
Guessing there is some problem with the freight elevator that makes it less convenient.
Freight elevators can be a pain when they have hours restrictions, glad I don't have to deal with those anymore.
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Freight elevators can be a pain when they have hours restrictions, glad I don't have to deal with those anymore.
Ahhh so they "close them" 6a-6p or something like that?? Anti theft measure maybe?

I wonder if the OP could approach the door men and guards-and perhaps sweet talk them into letting him bring his fold up in the regular elevator(no matter what the rule is)??
Certainly would be worth $10 tip every month?? Might be a good idea to make friends so they keep their eyes pealed for some thief walking out with his bike.
Never hurts to be friendly-and make friends.
Not sure what folks tip in NYNY- maybe $10 isn't much??
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