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    Looking Into the Kinetics site further, His modified Rohloff-disc Brake Brompton, looks hot, too.

    http://www.kinetics-online.co.uk/fol...n-rohloff-kit/

    http://www.kinetics-online.co.uk/fol...n-disc-brakes/

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    beautiful stuff isn't it - I could happily order the roholoff with hydraulic disc brakes - and I'd get change from 3000. Pounds sterling that is. Of course, you could go titanium, but that would mean missing out on the the disc brakes. So you would save 700 on the brakes, enough to to cover 540 for the titanium frame. So the titanium is the cheaper option

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    Always difficult this. Folders are for two things for me.
    Compact fast Commuting = my fast mezzo with a tad more bling, or a brompton set up with simular bullbars , dualdrive hub, and brifters. Add some hed wheels (I know they don't make 16"?). Alternatively afline 11 matched to versa brifters.
    Ideally I would be quickly able to change wheels sets for off road and seatpost. Neither bike would have this option. A fast folder can 95% replace a road racer imo.

    Off road, full sized 26 wheel etc.

    So just one bike to serve both roles.

    ok.

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    If I had to have only one bike i would kill myself...

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    I love my Brompton but I wouldn't mind if it was a little bit more capable on rougher roads. This looks interesting though:

    http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/...rn-eclipse-s18
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozonation View Post
    I love my Brompton but I wouldn't mind if it was a little bit more capable on rougher roads.
    I agree with that. There are a few repaved roads in my area that are horribly rough because they didn't take the time to roll the surface smooth. If I keep riding on them with the Brommie, I'm sure a few fillings will come loose over time. I meant to compare rides with my mountain bike to see if its just the size of the wheels that make the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Pedaling View Post
    I agree with that. There are a few repaved roads in my area that are horribly rough because they didn't take the time to roll the surface smooth. If I keep riding on them with the Brommie, I'm sure a few fillings will come loose over time. I meant to compare rides with my mountain bike to see if its just the size of the wheels that make the difference.
    I'm sure the bike gurus here could point out all the reasons why the Brompton rides less well on rough roads, but yes, wheel size does make a significant difference. The very reasons why a Brompton is so good in an urban setting (high manoeuvrability, easy to fold, compact) can work against it in other settings (that small wheel only offers so much suspension). My fat bike reigns supreme at smoothing out the bumps! Then again, it's not metro friendly...

    I know the whole point of the Brompton is the fold, but what I wouldn't mind is an extra large version of the Brommie: the same style fold, but large enough to accommodate 20" fat tires. Sure it wouldn't fold down as much as it can right now, but it would fold "enough" to make it still reasonably compact, and would give some more utility in less-than-friendly riding conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozonation View Post
    I'm sure the bike gurus here could point out all the reasons why the Brompton rides less well on rough roads, but yes, wheel size does make a significant difference. The very reasons why a Brompton is so good in an urban setting (high manoeuvrability, easy to fold, compact) can work against it in other settings (that small wheel only offers so much suspension). My fat bike reigns supreme at smoothing out the bumps! Then again, it's not metro friendly...

    I know the whole point of the Brompton is the fold, but what I wouldn't mind is an extra large version of the Brommie: the same style fold, but large enough to accommodate 20" fat tires. Sure it wouldn't fold down as much as it can right now, but it would fold "enough" to make it still reasonably compact, and would give some more utility in less-than-friendly riding conditions.
    Fortunately for me, there are but a few of these resurfaced roads done poorly, and I don't need to use them on my rides, but what I'm worried about is the skin flint politicians who look for ways to save a few pennies at the cost of quality. And of course those few pennies they save -- well you know where they go.

    A larger version of the Brommie -- hmmm. Never thought of that. If they enlarge the original design to accommodate 20" wheels, I don't see it as being very useful for commuters. Take into consideration the overall length of the bike. It seems to have a larger footprint than most already. This would make it very long indeed. I think using 20" wheels would require a total redesign -- well, what do I know anyway . Write a letter to the tallest hog in the trough over at Brompton and see what they say. It's only the cost of a stamp -- yes there are some of us that still use snail mail -- occasionally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozonation View Post
    I love my Brompton but I wouldn't mind if it was a little bit more capable on rougher roads. This looks interesting though:

    http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/...rn-eclipse-s18


    The Dahon Speed TR is a 20" wheel version of this concept. It is hard not to choose such a sturdy versatile machine. As opposed to something that rides faster or stores smaller. The Speed TR does not compromise on ride or steering as some of the smaller wheeled folders have to do. Its on my short list....but I choose the TIKIT as if I had to have ONLY one.

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    If I had to have only one bike..... well I can only assume that this is some sort of post-apocalytpic question?

    In which case a Friday or even a Dahon because more parts are "standard" and I won't have to fight zombies to find them.

    But otherwise a Friday unless take-apartables qualify and then a Moulton
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozonation View Post
    I'

    I know the whole point of the Brompton is the fold, but what I wouldn't mind is an extra large version of the Brommie: the same style fold, but large enough to accommodate 20" fat tires. Sure it wouldn't fold down as much as it can right now, but it would fold "enough" to make it still reasonably compact, and would give some more utility in less-than-friendly riding conditions.
    Me too. Come on Brompton, that's two sold. Retool Now !!!
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    Buy the main frame and have custom made forks for both ends . BB, unavoidably, will be a bit higher .

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    BB, unavoidably, will be a bit higher .
    Which wouldn't be such a bad thing. One of my folders has a relatively high BB and what I like about it is that I can keep pedaling through fast tight turns without fear of touching down.
    I plan on living forever... so far so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Pedaling View Post
    Fortunately for me, there are but a few of these resurfaced roads done poorly, and I don't need to use them on my rides, but what I'm worried about is the skin flint politicians who look for ways to save a few pennies at the cost of quality. And of course those few pennies they save -- well you know where they go.

    same thing happened to one of the premier cycling/motorcycling backroads in my area (Santa Cruz mountains). Both communities were up in arms about it (I've got one foot in both). Finally, someone came on the moto forum and said his dad got the repaving contract and was told to make it rough to slow down the motorcycles. damn.

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    For years my only bike was a Raleigh Sports Standard, still have it some 40 years later. Hard to beat for utility and durability.

    However if I had to choose something for long term single bike ownership cost be damned I would probably go with some version of a BF with IGH and dyno lights.

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    Which wouldn't be such a bad thing. One of my folders has a relatively high BB and what I like about it is that I can keep pedaling through fast tight turns without fear of touching down.
    16" To 20" would add 2" to BB height. seems like a lot..

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    So? My BB went up and down on my old Surly 1x1. Started with 26" wheels w/2.35" knobbies,swapped to 1.3" slicks,then finally 700's with 42mm's. Standover wasn't an issue,so the only rear differences I noticed were in the steering. Also note: if you're going to get a custom fork and rear subframe made up,the builder would prolly tweak the rake/trail so the handling wouldn't suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    16" To 20" would add 2" to BB height. seems like a lot..
    The BB height (ground to underside of BB) of my BF NWT is 10"... the one on my Miami is 11.75". Yup that's a lot but I like it.
    I plan on living forever... so far so good.

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    you missed the Idea.. theoretically taking a Brompton and retrofitting forks on both ends for 20" wheels..

    Not a bike built from the beginning for 406 -20" wheels.. like A Bi Fri..

    but coming late, to the party, NB: the Drinks are over by the North Wall

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    Quote Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
    you missed the Idea...
    How so? You seemed concerned about an increase in BB height which I addressed. If taking a Brompton and retrofitting forks and swingarm for 20" wheels results in a higher BB height, then so what? Like I said, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
    I plan on living forever... so far so good.

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    i could not live in a world where there could be only one bike.......

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    Surprised no one's chosen Birdy. I thought its reputation as jack of all trades (and master of none) was written in stone.

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    If the question was only one compact folder under a 1000 rrp then I think birdie would be my answer.

    Can I still have two wheel sets please?
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    If I had to make a 'one bike' only choice and it had to be a folder (that actually folds) it would be a Birdy.. otherwise, my one bike only choice would be a separable Moulton... I've put more enjoyable miles on a Moulton than any other bike I've owned...

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    In this thought experiment, Im thinking a frame with The 18 speed Pinion BB transmission ,
    in a 406 20" wheel dual suspension format.. Belt drive ..

    M-gineering's 20"wheel, swing arm front suspension (EU speedway dirt-track racer fork design),
    with an air/oil shock, is interesting [he intends them for SWB Recumbents]

    Swing arm rear end could be using the same shock as the front..

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