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Old 11-27-13, 02:22 PM   #1
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How can they do this?

Seeing these on Ebay for $159 to $195. Shimano Tourney shifter and derailer.
Disk brakes, aluminum frame. Free shipping, too!

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Old 11-27-13, 03:16 PM   #2
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FYI.... TZ Tourney components are pretty much the bottom of the barrel, entry-level, Shimano parts.
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Seeing these on Ebay for $159 to $195. Shimano Tourney shifter and derailer.
Disk brakes, aluminum frame. Free shipping, too!
Bottom of the barrel components, no service after the sale and probably no warranty expressed or implied...

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The pics of those calipers make me sad.

I wouldn't let anyone I liked ride that bike without upgrades.
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Obviously I am confused, I was under the understanding the Tourney series was respectable. What should the calipers look like?
Hope y'all don't mind enlightening me...
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Seeing these on Ebay for $159 to $195.
A decent set of wheels for disc brakes sells for more than that.

YGWYPF .. its just requiring lowered expectations.

you might hate it.

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Old 11-27-13, 06:31 PM   #7
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I would be curious to see what, if anything, arrives in your doorstep.
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Also be aware that particular frame looks like others that are advertised as alloy - yet it is steel.

Do a Google search for Hachiko bike...

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To me it looks like the forks are definitely steel but frame could very well be alloy, the rear drop-outs and the welding that joins them to the frame are what make me believe it is ally.
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...are what make me believe it is ally.
Yes, you are probably right!
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Bottom of the barrel components, no service after the sale and probably no warranty expressed or implied...

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Which would make me think -- "Where did they get them in the first place"? Factory burned down (fire sale). Who knows -- perhaps stolen merchandise.

I purchased two folding bikes from Camping World a few months back. Returned both because of faulty parts -- bottom line parts like what are on those bikes. That sale smells very fishy to me
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Obviously I am confused, I was under the understanding the Tourney series was respectable. What should the calipers look like?
Hope y'all don't mind enlightening me...
Like Fietsbob said, I think it's a matter of expectations; the bike may be respectable for very low mileage, non-demanding riders on flat, arid, terrain and who have indoor storage. Tourney TZ may be an acceptable drivetrain for those conditions. Outside of conditions like that, however, one may run into shortcomings with parts that rust badly, don't provide adequate stopping power from speed, wear quickly, aren't easily serviceable, are clumsy to operate/fold, or are simply excessively heavy.

I think it's not difficult or expensive to knock-off components, frames and wheels that look the part, but are made of inferior materials, use inferior production methods, and have inferior finish quality, especially in a place like China with abundant manufacturing capacity and little oversight or regulation.
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My instinct and experience-- not that I've bought this bike in particular, but meaning cheap stuff from Chinese vendors in general-- is not that such products are scams, but just simply half-decent looking, but very poorly made products.

I'd wager that if you buy it you'll get it, but I'd also wager that you'd be a bit disappointed with the quality in short order.

Of course, if you're just not a very discriminating user (not that there's anything wrong with that), then all bets are off.
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Well, I pulled the trigger, for $159. I drive 40 miles to work and then park on the street about a mile or mile and a half from office to avoid paying parking. The building where I work wants $135/month, so if the bike last two months I will feel like I got my money's worth. Also, just curious to see what I get. I can always go back to my old Dahon III if this thing is really a turd. Personally, I think the Chinese government is subsidizing their companies somehow, at least with shipping if nothing else. Will let y'all know when the beast arrives. Should prove interesting...
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have it taken apart , add more Grease, and then put back together again.

Grease being a cost , and putting low cost as a priority,
I expect they just barely used any more than absolutely nessisary to put it together.

and all bolts were put in dry.
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have it taken apart , add more Grease, and then put back together again.

Grease being a cost , and putting low cost as a priority,
I expect they just barely used any more than absolutely nessisary to put it together.

and all bolts were put in dry.
Will definitely go over it with the proverbial fine tooth comb. I have never bought a bike that did not need some kind of attention, even if it was just a good cleaning. Also a good way to bond with the beast!
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Will definitely go over it with the proverbial fine tooth comb. I have never bought a bike that did not need some kind of attention, even if it was just a good cleaning. Also a good way to bond with the beast!
"bond with the beast" is an apt phrase. "how can they do this?"



in most cases, chinese factories are filled with teenage girls who sometimes travel great distances from their home villages to work in what amounts to "factory cities".


depending on the size of orders, they will work 10-12 hours each day.

a frame welder in a bike factory.


assembly. these workers make about as much in two weeks as you probably do in a day.





not unlike a 19th century yarn mill, the workers live in dormitories within the factory compound. food and clothing allowances are deducted from their pay. 4 to 8 bunks per room is common.





although, in some instances modern processes such powder coating are used, the vast majority of frames are still wet painted using solvent based enamels. note the ill-fitting paper "respirator".

all told, there are about 20-40usd in parts and labor in each unit sold.



"free shipping"

and that's the basic story of how you can buy a slick looking folding bike with disc brakes shipped to your door from the other side of the world for less than 200usd.

but, that's only half the story..
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Do a Google search for Hachiko bike...
My research shows this is made at the same factory as the Dahon Jifo, Boardwalk D8'
and one of the Mu models. Guess it would have been more socially acceptable to pay the higher price for a Dahon Chinese bike?
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It's your own hard earned money, so finding a good deal for a decent looking bike works! Enjoy the bike. As you mentioned, even if it lasts a few months, it's more than covered a couple months of parking.
Look forward to pix!
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