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    Bike solutions to Medical problem from riding folding bike

    See my recent post under 'Fifty+' section for HEALTH angle.

    Here I would like to discuss bicycle solutions such as modifying seat post, saddle etc. The Flamingo 7NX - what can be done to make it a vehicle of mobility rather than disease? The fit is wrong, it would appear for me VERY wrong. I have tried extending the seat post two inches beyond the safety line already. All the saddles I look at have such short slidiers and I can't use one of those bent elbow seat posts because then it won't slide down to hold the fold. Right from the beginning the distance between my body and the handlebars was too short, but I figured I could get used to it. A Brompton-size is never going to be a comfortable as say an Ori (that WAS a great fit, but the fold was not small enough for air travel.) But I can't jeapordize my health.
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    Since you only post unhappiness with stuff, well maybe its time to hang it up and go Home .








    [apparently he is now back in Canada] await pictures of the actual scenes along the trip route..
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    And here's the weird thing - I was told that the leg should extend to be ever so slightly bent. And it does.

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    longer seatpost ( as long as it is 33.9 mm ) are available
    Aber Hallos Stem extender are available
    Different posts are available ( at least for Dahons )
    Saddles with longer rails versus shorter rails for example my Anatomica has decisive longer rails than some of the brooks saddles ...

    bicycle fit is important and sometimes a little neglected by the contraints of smaller or faster fold, but there are mods around to make it better for an individual rider
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    Never in my life have I heard such balderdash! Riding a bike is one of the very best forms of exercise. No bike is perfectly comfortable because it takes effort to ride it. If you want perfect comfort, retire to your recliner.

    Unless you are disabled I will suggest you take the time and get your body in shape - before you ride. Tone up the muscles and have your bike properly fitted for you. You want to jeopardize your health, then sit on your recliner and vegetate, because if you don't do something, at least what I suggest, then that is what you will end up doing, and a sure fire way of jeopardizing your health. When we age, we can't afford to NOT exercise.

    Now - out you go!!
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    Folding bikes with telescoping seat posts do tend to slip down over time ..

    My solution is a seat tube clamp directly around the seat post it self. sits on top of the frame mounted one. total=2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Pedaling View Post
    Never in my life have I heard such balderdash! Riding a bike is one of the very best forms of exercise. No bike is perfectly comfortable because it takes effort to ride it. If you want perfect comfort, retire to your recliner.

    Unless you are disabled I will suggest you take the time and get your body in shape - before you ride. Tone up the muscles and have your bike properly fitted for you. You want to jeopardize your health, then sit on your recliner and vegetate, because if you don't do something, at least what I suggest, then that is what you will end up doing, and a sure fire way of jeopardizing your health. When we age, we can't afford to NOT exercise.

    Now - out you go!!
    Any post that uses the word balderdash gets plus 5 points!

    Generally, I largely agree with the points here. I suggest seeing a PT to get conditioned and get out there. I'd take small but progressive steps during rehabilitation. Although any bike that needs the seatpost extended 2" is obviously too small even though it seems like you have a bit of uncertainty with respect to fitting a bike.

    Why is it the case that you can only fly with a Brompton like bike? How small do you need it for air travel?

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    Thinking a bit more about it, do you have a regular bike that fits well? How does the fit compare to the Flamingo?

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    par t of the problem might be that the OP wanted to get a deal over there, close to where most bikes are built. Forgetting that some ( most?) bikes are specked differently for the usually smaller built consumers in the Far East. US and Euro bikes from the same manufacturer are different at times.
    The search for a "deal" might have gotten backwards.
    Having said that I am pretty happy that Hermes is not a Thor customer ...lol
    Even I have limits ..lol
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    You can get another 1 to 1 1/2 inches from adding a sprung saddle. Brompton fit up to about 5"8 in standard form with a standard seatpost in my opinion. Adding a sprung seat can just about about get it to 5"11.
    However then I find the brommie geometry does not work for me at all with a higher seat post.

    However, it can be made pretty perfect with a few mods and customisation. Such as stem extenders, and or bullbars.
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    A triathlon setback adapter is another option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThorUSA View Post
    longer seatpost ( as long as it is 33.9 mm ) are available
    Aber Hallos Stem extender are available
    Different posts are available ( at least for Dahons )
    Saddles with longer rails versus shorter rails for example my Anatomica has decisive longer rails than some of the brooks saddles ...

    bicycle fit is important and sometimes a little neglected by the contraints of smaller or faster fold, but there are mods around to make it better for an individual rider
    I like this post

    mods always available.always.

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    check this blog out. Hands On Bike: Flamingo London S7R

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hermespan View Post
    Right from the beginning the distance between my body and the handlebars was too short, but I figured I could get used to it. A Brompton-size is never going to be a comfortable as say an Ori (that WAS a great fit, but the fold was not small enough for air travel.) But I can't jeapordize my health.
    I stand almost 6' tall, and I have no problems whatsoever riding my Brompton. Unless you're really tall at over 6'3"... I'm not sure the bike is the primary cause of your issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozonation View Post
    I stand almost 6' tall, and I have no problems whatsoever riding my Brompton. Unless you're really tall at over 6'3"... I'm not sure the bike is the primary cause of your issues.
    Likely if he had chosen to get the Brompton instead of going cheap, he might not have the problems he is experiencing - both healthwise and bike mechanic/operational issues. He hasn't been a happy camper since day one of posting - with considered purchasing in various countries, different makers, to a specific unit and now health...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Pedaling View Post

    Unless you are disabled I will suggest you take the time and get your body in shape - before you ride. Tone up the muscles and have your bike properly fitted............................................ When we age, we can't afford to NOT exercise.

    Now - out you go!!
    Very good advice! Even if you exercise regularly!

    I had been exercising regularly on a recumbent, stationary bike for long time when I started riding a "real" bicycle. The very first time I rode any distance I strained a muscle in my leg that is still painful after 2 months.

    Be careful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by autoteacher View Post
    Very good advice! Even if you exercise regularly!

    The very first time I rode any distance I strained a muscle in my leg that is still painful after 2 months.

    Be careful!
    Done that a few times in my days. Played a lot of sports in my youth, and sprained muscles was almost a way of life. One of the firsts things that should be done when you get a sprained muscle is proper massage. Have you done that? I'm wondering if you have done more to yourself than sprained a muscle. Two months is a long time for a sprain to heel. You sure you haven't injured a tendon or ligament? That can take quite awhile to heel up. Whatever the case, exercise to those areas are vital.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Still Pedaling View Post
    Done that a few times in my days. Played a lot of sports in my youth, and sprained muscles was almost a way of life. One of the firsts things that should be done when you get a sprained muscle is proper massage. Have you done that? I'm wondering if you have done more to yourself than sprained a muscle. Two months is a long time for a sprain to heel. You sure you haven't injured a tendon or ligament? That can take quite awhile to heel up. Whatever the case, exercise to those areas are vital.
    My therapy was to get back to riding and extending my rides gradually. Getting much better but you are right, I should have seen someone for help.
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    Stretching isn't just a relaxing after exercise endeavor, it's a necessity. It helps prevent muscle tears and sprains, helps with joint mobility and flexibility, and helps to keep us active, even as we get older. Most don't do any stretching after a bike ride. Even if it's a casual ride, it's still exercise.
    Fitness is only a side effect,...I feel alive when I ride!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tds101 View Post
    Stretching isn't just a relaxing after exercise endeavor, it's a necessity. It helps prevent muscle tears and sprains, helps with joint mobility and flexibility, and helps to keep us active, even as we get older. Most don't do any stretching after a bike ride. Even if it's a casual ride, it's still exercise.
    Yes, and it wouldn't be bad either if one had someone around after the ride to give that needed massage. As they say in England, "Lovely Jubley".
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    Quote Originally Posted by tds101 View Post
    Stretching isn't just a relaxing after exercise endeavor, it's a necessity. It helps prevent muscle tears and sprains, helps with joint mobility and flexibility, and helps to keep us active, even as we get older. Most don't do any stretching after a bike ride. Even if it's a casual ride, it's still exercise.
    Definitely stretching before and after any activity is even more important as we get older. Another consideration is to try to do the activity as frequent as possible - for instance daily - wherever possible. Doing weekend 100's get harder and more likely to injury if there are no rides during the week to keep the body running properly.

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    I try to commute daily, about 11 miles round trip. When I can I TRY to get in a longer ride on weekends. It never happens, due to time constraints & family responsibility. I do what I can, but I always try to get in my stretching no matter what - especially since I'm over 40 and do physical labor for a living (re: heavy work).

    As for a massage afterwards,... I never get far enough with my wife massaging me to reap it's therapeutic benefits. I get a little too "distracted". An occasional chiropractic visit will have to suffice! Lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tds101 View Post
    I try to commute daily, about 11 miles round trip. When I can I TRY to get in a longer ride on weekends. It never happens, due to time constraints & family responsibility. I do what I can, but I always try to get in my stretching no matter what - especially since I'm over 40 and do physical labor for a living (re: heavy work).

    As for a massage afterwards,... I never get far enough with my wife massaging me to reap it's therapeutic benefits. I get a little too "distracted". An occasional chiropractic visit will have to suffice! Lol!
    LOL! I usually can't get past the question from my wife "where do you want me to rub?" without a distraction! LOL!

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    trying Bangkok bike shops now

    I am restricting my discussion of medical aspects to a related thread in Fifty+.

    Regarding the bicycle itself I am hunting in Bangkok for advice and services as to how to make my bike more suitable.

    Today I visited Thailand's official Brompton distributor: One Fine Day in nearby Bang Na. A more detailed review of that shop is posted under the same username at the Thailand-specific THAI VISA forum.

    To the matter at hand I was told the following...

    1. Most Thais who own Bromptons use them occasionally and recreationally, not for daily transportation.

    2. There is a professional (certified practitioner) of bike fitting at a high-end mall. It takes two hours to customize and costs USD85 plus any parts. But it would be marginally useful (I think hd said 'useless') for me due to the great adjustment/modification limitations of the folding bike.

    3. The manager of the shop has had knee problems himself but hadn't gotten around to getting medical attention (hmm, can't be *that* serious for him then)

    4. Problem with anyone's knee is it is more vulnerable and less likely to recover than simple pain in other parts of the body [This struck me as a quasi medical opinion and 'I don 't take fishing advice from golfers']

    5. Any good bike shop can give fitting advice. He recommended two near me. Presumably they make their money from selling bike parts not advice.

    6. He went into great detail about the need of the angle of the knee/leg to be a certain way/distance and the foot on the pedal certain way. I didn't quite get it.

    Of course, the problem in Thailand in going to other bike shops where the manger and staff is not so fluent in English, is language. I don't speak enough Thai and am not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
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    Wow
    Who would have thought that the "folding bikes forum" would be such a tough crowd!!
    You guys are a rough as the VC Lane Controllers when they get into it with the FRAPPERS.

    Anyway-OP- rather than beating your head against a wall trying to make this compromise of a bike "work"
    Why not just buy a new bike when you arrive in whatever city you end up in-and sell it or donate it when you leave.
    They-airlines-must be clipping you a decent $$ to haul it 10,000 miles-
    You can get a decent enough full-sized new bike for maybe $150-
    or a very nice used one for the same $$
    Forget the folding bike-the chances of your making it fit-close to zero-and it will cost you a fair amount of $$ to come to that conclusion.
    Even a cheap full sized bike can be comfortable-
    folding bikes-a compromise that isn't working for you.
    Just buy an inexpensive full sized bike-sell it or donate it when you leave.
    PITB to haul a bike half way around the world.

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