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    Bike Locks for folders

    I'm surprised there isn't a thread about this already - I would think it would be an appropriate discussion. Anyway, I live in NYC and have an Origami Cricket 7. Due to the unusual size and build of folders, wondering what you folks use to lock them up? Here in NYC, it's a serious issue as bike thief's supposedly have no problem getting through most locks in no time. I was thinking that while there is no lock that can guarantee 100% security, some are better than others. Also, with a less expensive bike, it makes little sense to spend a ton. What say you all? I have heard that Kryptonite makes a good U lock that is smallish. Anyone have any recommendations?

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    Oops. I did a search for "Lock" and the first page of results didn't have what I was hoping to see. I should have gone more than a page. Thank you for pointing them out, and Mods, feel free to remove my thread....
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    FYI,Krypto and other companies also make long shackle U locks. I used to use one on my Mu SL;I'd fold it in half and put the lock through both wheels and frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShermCraig View Post
    Anyway, I live in NYC and have an Origami Cricket 7. Due to the unusual size and build of folders, wondering what you folks use to lock them up? Here in NYC, it's a serious issue as bike thief's supposedly have no problem getting through most locks in no time. I was thinking that while there is no lock that can guarantee 100% security, some are better than others. Also, with a less expensive bike, it makes little sense to spend a ton.
    I know some posters are a bit dismissive about a folding bike needing a lock - that's why you bought a folder right? Take it with you! - but having a good lock for a folder makes sense.

    Last summer, I was in Chicago for a conference and wanted to visit the Shedd Aquarium. I phoned ahead and asked if they had a coat room or luggage check, and they advised that what they had would be inadequate for holding a folding bike. I rode my Brompton down, and sure enough, there wasn't an obvious place to temporarily store the folder. So, I folded it down, put a cover over the seat, and locked a mini U-lock through the frame to a bike rack, and cabled the seat and other periphery parts together. I have an On Guard brand, Bulldog series (moderate security) mini U-lock and also used a combination cable lock (light duty).

    I prefer to use at least two methods of locking - a U-lock, and separate locking cable - so that if one is defeated, the other still acts as a deterrent. I have some admittedly expensive bikes (Rivendells). They're not flashy looking but finding a more expensive bike to park beside is not always an option. If I'm on my full size bike and know I'll be making long stops (e.g., at the library), I carry a larger U-lock, open loop cable, and also an adjustable cable lock to allow me to cinch up the bike or a saddle bag to deter sticky fingers. (Products - Cable Locks - 8413KA - Master LockŪ)

    Sure, it can get heavy, but carrying the locks is less than 5% of the total weight of me and the bike, so the small weight penalty is worth it, and I figure I'll just use the weight for strength training while riding.

    I have to disagree about spending less on security even if it is a cheaper bike. That bike, regardless of cost, is probably your main ride home, and there's few worse feelings than coming around the corner and realizing your personal property has been stolen. Unless you have a practically worthless bike, it will still cost you more time and money to replace that bike; if you're on a tight budget, you might not even be able to do so. Even an older, inexpensive bike upgraded slowly over time will be worth more time and money than the $20 to $40 difference for cheap security versus quality security.

    Good luck!
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    I use a TiGr shorty, which I like because I can carry it easily on the bike so that it's always at hand no matter what, but also because it allows me to fold the bike without removing it; I just loosen the strap and let it drop a bit.

    I lockup as @dynaryder does, by folding and securing through wheels, for longer, higher risk lockups, or just through rear wheel+frame for short periods.

    This pic is from when I was changing the seat (I now use WTB Silverado) and doesn't show the seat bag in which I keep the lock cylinder. If you don't use a seat bag, you'll need to have a place to stash the cylinder, or use the TiGr mounting block or something, but since I always have the seat bag on, it's super convenient for me.



    Dropped for the fold:



    They're a bit pricey, but the TiGr provides the level of security I need (I think I need, anyway!), but is above all, the most convenient bike lock I've ever seen. I used to fret over how to carry locks, which bag I would have to use, or deal with the noise of them rattling around on the rack (or if I had something on the rack, how to even get it on there in the first place), but TiGr killed all that for me, so now I run them as standard equipment on my three main commuter/utility bikes. I seriously can't say enough how happy I am with how TiGr changed my biking life!
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    This is a pretty interesting article, including comments about U-locks, size (smaller, the better), and the TiGr lock.

    The Best Bike Lock Today - Tested
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    This video on the TiGr is hilarious!!! It's not in english, but it's still just funny, and easy to understand!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb8YoT9Q9VA

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    I would not waste money and time, even for reading, on the TiGr lock - pretty ridiculous. I started out with top Abus U-locks, but then switched to top Abus chains. The chains turn out in practice to be more secure because it is hard to keep them in a steady position when cutting. The chains offer more flexibility when attaching a bike to some solid post. It is further easier to weave the chain through a folded bike than a U-lock. The disadvantage is that a chain is a tad heavier for the same size/protection level than a U-lock and that paradoxically it can be harder to carry a chain on a bike than a U-lock.

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    haha...


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    Quote Originally Posted by smallwheeler View Post
    haha...

    The commentary in German says that the lady holds a bolt cutter for the first time in her hands...

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    Huh. For all its hype, I'm surprised the TiGr lock can be cut so readily. Of course, they are bolt cutters - and big ones at that - but I thought the lock would have offered more resistance.
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    I got this masterlock cuff lock based off this review. They seem pretty good structurally and can fold into a small size, which is nice. I can't vouch for the integrity of the locking mechanism as I'm not a locksmith but might be worth looking into since there are reports of people having issues with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozonation View Post
    Huh. For all its hype, I'm surprised the TiGr lock can be cut so readily. Of course, they are bolt cutters - and big ones at that - but I thought the lock would have offered more resistance.
    I've seen a British video of a burly guy who chops up U locks with a big set of bolt cutters. While Ti is pretty tough stuff,there really isn't all that much to the TiGr lock,it's pretty thin.

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    Abus Bordo Here , a folding link lock , fits in a pouch where a water bottle goes.
    (or straps on) the good ones are heavy, $100+ ,, German Product.

    many folding bikes are harder to lock, lacking a Main triangle.
    (my BikeFriday pocket Llama in heavy rider configuration has a main triangle)




    One fellow brought his Brompton in for essentially an Overhaul ..
    he had a Abus Bordo Folding lock he kept strapped behind the seat tube in it's pouch.,

    to accomodate it the folding catch lever was reversed to be above the QR lever .. Fit OK.

    Stowed it on his sailboat which was moored in a visitor's berth at the Marina .
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    Oh, if you want to defeat those bolt cutters while retaining the unbeatable portability of a TiGr, you get the wide body TiGr version, the one that shares the ART 2Star certification with locks like the ABUS Bordo Granit 6500, not the skinny one, sillies!


    The skinny models are great, too, but if your lockup scenarios include bad girls with 3 foot bolt cutters, angle grinders, acetylene torches, and getting mugged, well no, I wouldn't recommend one for you! Thankfully, I don't look at lockups as efforts at ultimate security, so I can enjoy other aspects of bike riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
    Oh, if you want to defeat those bolt cutters while retaining the unbeatable portability of a TiGr, you get the wide body TiGr version, the one that shares the ART 2Star certification with locks like the ABUS Bordo Granit 6500, not the skinny one, sillies!


    The skinny models are great, too, but if your lockup scenarios include bad girls with 3 foot bolt cutters, angle grinders, acetylene torches, and getting mugged, well no, I wouldn't recommend one for you! Thankfully, I don't look at lockups as efforts at ultimate security, so I can enjoy other aspects of bike riding.

    methinks thou dost protest too much...


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    if you have a bike that's worth stealing, don't lock it up outside.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smallwheeler View Post

    protip:

    if you have a bike that's worth stealing, don't lock it up outside.
    That sounds like a lousy way to live to me.

    I prefer to pay my money and take my chances, all the while riding what I like and having fun.

    Some people prefer to fret, worry, and let fear dictate their actions; I get that, and to each their own. There are locks for those kinds, too.
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    Just saw this on CL.

    Stolen folding bikes CL and this stolen Brompton. Sounds like they were cut with bolt cutters. Don't know the type of locks but most likely not U locks.

    For the people in Toronto and surrounding area can we have a PSA and keep our eyes out for these bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
    That sounds like a lousy way to live to me.

    I prefer to pay my money and take my chances, all the while riding what I like and having fun.

    Some people prefer to fret, worry, and let fear dictate their actions; I get that, and to each their own. There are locks for those kinds, too.
    come on, man. you're just being defensive. nobody's laughing at you because you bought an expensive crappy lock. most people have. the larger point here is basic common sense- bike locks are theft deterrents, but they only deter the opportunistic thief. there is no lock that a pro thief can't defeat. i've seen it happen many times. even if the thief can't quickly crack the lock, that won't stop them. ever wonder why sometimes you see a bike chain dangling from a lamp post or bike rack? in some instances, the thief will simply cut the bike frame in half to abscond with the valuable components.

    i enjoy riding and having fun too. but, you can't do that if your bike is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallwheeler View Post
    come on, man. you're just being defensive. nobody's laughing at you because you bought an expensive crappy lock. most people have. the larger point here is basic common sense- bike locks are theft deterrents, but they only deter the opportunistic thief. there is no lock that a pro thief can't defeat. i've seen it happen many times. even if the thief can't quickly crack the lock, that won't stop them. ever wonder why sometimes you see a bike chain dangling from a lamp post or bike rack? in some instances, the thief will simply cut the bike frame in half to abscond with the valuable components.

    i enjoy riding and having fun too. but, you can't do that if your bike is gone.
    I'm being honest, though; I don't care so much if my bike gets stolen that I'm not going to ride it or lug around a 10lb chain. I'll just buy another.

    Since my first bike got stolen when I was at after school Spanish lessons when I was in fifth grade, through to the $2.5k custom Yo Eddy! that got vic'd out of the back room of the restaurant I worked at in '93, I've learned that bikes are not so precious, and that life goes on. Hell, I've got seven of them right now, so while I don't want my junk stolen, if it happens, I'm not gonna cry about it.
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    understood. you have a unique perspective. cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaadster View Post
    I'm being honest, though; I don't care so much if my bike gets stolen that I'm not going to ride it or lug around a 10lb chain. I'll just buy another.
    I'm glad that you can afford to just buy another. Some people can't.

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    Apparently my perspective is not so unique or privileged, evidenced by the fact that most cyclists, on folding bikes or otherwise, don't use maximum security, 19mm chains and case hardened padlocks.

    Most people, as I myself do, balance risk, security, and convenience, and come to the conclusion that heavy chains are not worthwhile.

    In fact, when everything is considered, from the carelessness shown in how most people lock up their bike, to the lack of police and municiple efforts to prevent theft and protect bicycles, the paucity of studies on bike theft, to the failure of most bicycle manufacturers and vendors to provide security and theft prevention measures, it's evident that the hyper-concern shown by some in this thread is really the more unique perspective.
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    Bicycle locking is similar to the tiger and gazelle story. You don't have to have the best lock made, you only have to have a better lock than the bikes near yours...

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