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    Bruce Jenner

    I didn't see the interview with Diane Sawyer but did read a brief article about Jenner being a Conservative Republican. In it he says he'd ask Mitch McConnell and John Boehner to support LGBT rights. Regardless of your view on the issue if he thinks either will publicly support his "cause" he's nuts. This is not a political statement just one of astonishment that he seems to know nothing about his audience. Very strange IMO.

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    He never even implied he thought they would support the LGBT community, only that he'd be willing to ask them to do so. I watched a good part of the interview. I think it took a huge amount of self confidence and courage. I've wimped out of encounters much, much less difficult and find his positive attitude in the face of the public scrutiny to be quite amazing. World class guts.
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    he is very brave

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    Just for clarification this is the quote I saw when I created this thread:

    "Sawyer wondered whether a transgender individual affiliating with the Republican Party might be "an unsettling thing" for conservative Republicans, but Jenner told her neither party "has a monopoly on understanding." Sawyer asked Jenner whether he would ask Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) or House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) to "help champion this cause."

    "I would do that, yeah, in a heartbeat," Jenner said. "Why not? And I think they'd be very receptive to it."

    It was the "I think they'd be very receptive to it" part that threw me. I also agree that when people come out publicly with this kind of personal stuff it's very courageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digibud View Post
    He never even implied he thought they would support the LGBT community, only that he'd be willing to ask them to do so. I watched a good part of the interview. I think it took a huge amount of self confidence and courage. I've wimped out of encounters much, much less difficult and find his positive attitude in the face of the public scrutiny to be quite amazing. World class guts.
    I agree...another transgender story is going on in the alt music world by Laura Jane Grace, who was formerly Tom Gabel and fronted the punk rock band Against Me for 10+ years. Before undergoing this change, he/she (I'll use she the rest of the way) had a wife and children and from what I gather in this interview, she is still committed to her wife and family, but as a woman spouse...not the man she was from birth. I think she carries herself very well in this interview. Just another perspective:

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    I don't understand "the cause". He wants to be a woman...who's stopping him? In fact, I don't see anyone stopping any of these people who want to be a different sex.
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    Every person’s journey is unique, and Jenner's interview just adds another layer to our understanding of what it means to be transgender.
    Hopefully this will help people want to learn more about the issues and challenges their transgender friends, coworkers and family members face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pgjackson View Post
    I don't understand "the cause". He wants to be a woman...who's stopping him? In fact, I don't see anyone stopping any of these people who want to be a different sex.
    There are a lot of people trying to make it difficult to live as LGBT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemsongirl View Post
    Every person’s journey is unique, and Jenner's interview just adds another layer to our understanding of what it means to be transgender.
    Hopefully this will help people want to learn more about the issues and challenges their transgender friends, coworkers and family members face.
    This is the hope. And, beyond that living without passing judgement on others' journeys would be another step forward IMO.

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    I think as things stand now, Mitch McConnell and/or John Beohner will not openly support LGBT people and press forward on pro-LGBT legislation. However, the fact that Bruce Jenner, a very famous person, is willing to come out as transgender shows that this is the way things are going. Momentum is gaining for pro-LGBTQA mentalities in the nation, again, evidenced by the numerous celebrities that have either come out or openly support the LGBTQA community, the latest of which is Bruce Jenner. So moving forward, I think that it's kind of manifest destiny that such legislation will come forward more and be approved.

    I'll try to keep my own personal opinions out of this, but the Republican party has been struggling with changing times. Immigration is another such issue that comes to mind. Whether they like it or not, the US is getting more and more Hispanic, partially due to our terrible South American foreign policy/war on drugs but that's another issue entirely. Republicans are already feeling the pressure of the Hispanic community. Likewise, more and more people are accepting the LGBTQA community and if the Republican party wants to survive, they'll have to endorse such legislation and people sooner or later due to social pressure.

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    You could choose to do some reading to help you understand the cause. The people that are stopping him and other trans folks are all over the place, often found in churches, but just as likely found in crime reports of trans people being beaten or bullied. It's a death sentence in some countries to simply be gay let alone trans. In our society the cost of sex change operations stops people from fully transitioning and the public condemnation stops people from coming out which is a large part of the huge suicide rate in the trans community. Bruce Jenner is lucky in regard to the cost issue. Who stops them? Nobody and everybody. Very few have the resources, family, strength and courage of Bruce Jenner.
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    I haven't really been following much of this but my wife tells me Ms. Jenner stated she still is attracted to women and might stop short of a 'full' transition.

    This seems like just an extreme case of cross-dressing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
    he is very brave
    So you're saying it takes balls to come out like this? ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by windhchaser View Post
    he is very brave
    You don't have to be brave to be really queer these days....everybody's doin' it.

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    sometimes i think this country's laws and politics suck.

    but when i see and hear about the plight of gays in places like iran or uganda, i think this country sucks a lot less.

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    One of the TG people I knew was a friend and musician that played in the same chamber group as me. I was unaware of her TG status for two years ( I thought she was a really homely woman). What surprised me most was that I figured out that the woman she was with had been with him before. That is courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lkngro View Post
    I think as things stand now, Mitch McConnell and/or John Beohner will not openly support LGBT people and press forward on pro-LGBT legislation. However, the fact that Bruce Jenner, a very famous person, is willing to come out as transgender shows that this is the way things are going. Momentum is gaining for pro-LGBTQA mentalities in the nation, again, evidenced by the numerous celebrities that have either come out or openly support the LGBTQA community, the latest of which is Bruce Jenner. So moving forward, I think that it's kind of manifest destiny that such legislation will come forward more and be approved.

    I'll try to keep my own personal opinions out of this, but the Republican party has been struggling with changing times. Immigration is another such issue that comes to mind. Whether they like it or not, the US is getting more and more Hispanic, partially due to our terrible South American foreign policy/war on drugs but that's another issue entirely. Republicans are already feeling the pressure of the Hispanic community. Likewise, more and more people are accepting the LGBTQA community and if the Republican party wants to survive, they'll have to endorse such legislation and people sooner or later due to social pressure.

    I really believe that the "politics" of people like Sheldon Addelson and the Koch brothers is doomed. These issues you cite are exactly what you say they are and IMO they are not as transformative in society as the climate change, women in power and wealth gap issues. When things start to swing there are going to be a lot of people left twisting in the wind. Women are going to take over the governance of this country and I can't imagine them doing a worse job then what men have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digibud View Post
    You could choose to do some reading to help you understand the cause. The people that are stopping him and other trans folks are all over the place, often found in churches, but just as likely found in crime reports of trans people being beaten or bullied. It's a death sentence in some countries to simply be gay let alone trans. In our society the cost of sex change operations stops people from fully transitioning and the public condemnation stops people from coming out which is a large part of the huge suicide rate in the trans community. Bruce Jenner is lucky in regard to the cost issue. Who stops them? Nobody and everybody. Very few have the resources, family, strength and courage of Bruce Jenner.
    This is right on the money. Some people just seem to be terribly threatened by the "other." Thus, racism, religious bias, xenophobia, homophobia, etc.

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    I have no hatred for the LGBT community, but my main concern is this idea that you have to accept whatever people are doing now. And not just accept it, but actively support it publicly. If you express any form of disapproval or concern you are labeled a racist, bigot, homophobe...whatever. You cant have a dissenting opinion anymore. Where does it end? At what point do we say..."ok, that's just ridiculous"? People who think the USA is oppressive need to get out more. This place is about as tolerant as any country on Earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digibud View Post
    You could choose to do some reading to help you understand the cause. The people that are stopping him and other trans folks are all over the place, often found in churches, but just as likely found in crime reports of trans people being beaten or bullied. It's a death sentence in some countries to simply be gay let alone trans. In our society the cost of sex change operations stops people from fully transitioning and the public condemnation stops people from coming out which is a large part of the huge suicide rate in the trans community. Bruce Jenner is lucky in regard to the cost issue. Who stops them? Nobody and everybody. Very few have the resources, family, strength and courage of Bruce Jenner.
    Are you suggesting that tax dollars should be funding elective sex change operations?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgjackson View Post
    I have no hatred for the LGBT community, but my main concern is this idea that you have to accept whatever people are doing now. And not just accept it, but actively support it publicly. If you express any form of disapproval or concern you are labeled a racist, bigot, homophobe...whatever. You cant have a dissenting opinion anymore. Where does it end? At what point do we say..."ok, that's just ridiculous"? People who think the USA is oppressive need to get out more. This place is about as tolerant as any country on Earth.
    How 'bout we don't accept or support heterosexuals, either...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgjackson View Post
    I have no hatred for the LGBT community, but my main concern is this idea that you have to accept whatever people are doing now. And not just accept it, but actively support it publicly. If you express any form of disapproval or concern you are labeled a racist, bigot, homophobe...whatever. You cant have a dissenting opinion anymore. Where does it end? At what point do we say..."ok, that's just ridiculous"? People who think the USA is oppressive need to get out more. This place is about as tolerant as any country on Earth.
    Our cat Butch was really down in the dumps for a couple months and we were thinking he might have been feeling I bit transgender-ish, so we took him to the vet and had a sex change done on him/her, and whataya know he/she still doesn't seem like him/herself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgjackson View Post
    Are you suggesting that tax dollars should be funding elective sex change operations?
    Yes, as part of universal national health care, but that's not something I'd debate here and not being a economist I have no idea if it is economically feasible but I see it as socially and humanitarianly desirable.
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