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Old 04-22-05, 12:56 PM   #1
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Is it just me, or is the grammar here appalling?

"Oh, look," the masses sighed dejectedly, "The kona geezer is going on a rant."

I'm enjoying Bike Forum, but I'm having trouble deciphering a lot of what I read here. I can usually muscle through the odd dangling modifier and cope with lazy spelling. I have learned to relax about the general inability to differentiate "there," "their," and "they're," and I will not revisit "its" and "it's."

But we're crossing over into the disturbing realm of "hooked on phonics" bucketheads whose posts look as though they are typed with the forehead while the posters are all baked on reefer.

I mean, I'm not trying to offend, but this is going to drive me CRAZY! Why don't people even know how words are supposed to look? Doesn't anybody read anymore? If this is the way of the future, could we try to standardize our clumsy, uneducated phonetic spelling? Can we AT LEAST give our offerings the old once-over to see if they make any sense? (pant, pant, pant)

Don't even get me started on syntax.

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Old 04-22-05, 12:58 PM   #2
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I think it's exusable, it is merely an internet forum, but I get annoyed also.

My only pet peeve is when folks don't know how to use common words, eg:

To vs. Too

Reading a sentence like, "I had to many beers when I went to the bar" makes my skin crawl.

Or apostrophes where they don't belong, eg:

"I have to many bike's for my own good" AAArgghh!!!

I agree with you, Crashtest... you're own too something!

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Old 04-22-05, 01:03 PM   #6
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It's only been a month since the last grammar thread, so I guess it's about time! For the record, I agree with you kona, but prepare to get flamed and called a nazi anyway. Good luck, and stay out of the BMX forum.
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Old 04-22-05, 01:05 PM   #7
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My personal pet peeve is the mixing up of the word 'brake', as in the thing that makes your bike slow down, and the word 'break', as in the thing that happens to your face when your brake doesn't work. I've been wanting to rant about it, but I've managed to restrain myself until now. Of course, I'm just piggybacking off of your rant, so I don't look like the bad guy.

I've never been a great speller or grammarian or anything, but somehow I manage to write in a fairly legible and coherent manner.. I'm not sure why it is so difficult for some people. I've never been a grammar nazi, but there comes a point when language is so bad that comprehension suffers, and that is the point when it needs to be cleaned up. Language that no one understands is no language at all...

But hey, it's the internet! Enjoy it!

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I think it's exusable, it is merely an internet forum, but I get annoyed also.

My only pet peeve is when folks don't know how to use common words, eg:

To vs. Too

Reading a sentence like, "I had to many beers when I went to the bar" make my skin crawl.

Or apostrophes where they don't belong, eg:

"I have to many bike's for my own good" AAArgghh!!!

I agree with you, Crashtest... you're own too something!
THEIR ya go! Oh yes, my personal favorite is "THIER". Use the wrong word, and then spell it wrong as well.
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Old 04-22-05, 01:09 PM   #10
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"Oh, look," the masses sighed dejectedly, "The kona geezer is going on a rant."

I'm enjoying Bike Forum, but I'm having trouble deciphering a lot of what I read here. I can usually muscle through the odd dangling modifier and cope with lazy spelling. I have learned to relax about the general inability to differentiate "there," "their," and "they're," and I will not revisit "its" and "it's."

But we're crossing over into the disturbing realm of "hooked on phonics" bucketheads whose posts look as though they are typed with the forehead while the posters are all baked on reefer.

I mean, I'm not trying to offend, but this is going to drive me CRAZY! Why don't people even know how words are supposed to look? Doesn't anybody read anymore? If this is the way of the future, could we try to standardize our clumsy, uneducated phonetic spelling? Can we AT LEAST give our offerings the old once-over to see if they make any sense? (pant, pant, pant)

Don't even get me started on syntax.

Thank you for your time.
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I don't get too worked up about spelling and grammar, but occasionally it gets annoying. For example, "prolly" is not a word and has never been one. Also, "lose" and "loose" are two different words. Now, pay attention! "Lose" means to misplace! "Loose" means not tight!

OK, I'll go calm down now.
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Old 04-22-05, 01:34 PM   #13
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One time a new member p.m'd me as he wanted some help as I was the only poster who didn't lay down some crap about his grammer.

He explained in his message, that engish was not even a second launguage for him, but was willing to try hard to get his questions across. I don't think he wanted to explain this in his thread -as the fist few replies were pretty toxic.

I'd worry more about the tone of replies when posters disagree or a newb askes a fool question. No reason to belittle someone because they have poor grammer, spelling or working knowlage of bicycles.
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Old 04-22-05, 01:39 PM   #14
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Originally Posted by konageezer
"Oh, look," the masses sighed dejectedly, "The kona geezer is going on a rant."

I'm enjoying Bike Forum, but I'm having trouble deciphering a lot of what I read here. I can usually muscle through the odd dangling modifier and cope with lazy spelling. I have learned to relax about the general inability to differentiate "there," "their," and "they're," and I will not revisit "its" and "it's."

But we're crossing over into the disturbing realm of "hooked on phonics" bucketheads whose posts look as though they are typed with the forehead while the posters are all baked on reefer.

I mean, I'm not trying to offend, but this is going to drive me CRAZY! Why don't people even know how words are supposed to look? Doesn't anybody read anymore? If this is the way of the future, could we try to standardize our clumsy, uneducated phonetic spelling? Can we AT LEAST give our offerings the old once-over to see if they make any sense? (pant, pant, pant)

Don't even get me started on syntax.

Thank you for your time.
Thank you! I've been wanting to post something like this for so long. I don't know why, but I have a weird thing where I feel the need to correct other people's grammar mistakes. When my biology teacher makes an error between are/is I have to restrain myself from correcting her.

I see so many "their" v. "they're" v. "there"; "its" v. "it's"; "where" v. "were"; errors that it makes me sick. I hate when people mix up "brake" and "break". I know I'm not immune to mistakes, but I usually try to catch mine and if I notice that I made an error like this I have to go back and fix it.

There are so many run on sentences and sentence fragments that it's absurd.
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Old 04-22-05, 01:52 PM   #15
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What is absurd is nitpicking on an internet forum. Why should you care? I personally spit out reply's in seconds and could care less if my sentences are proper. Person to person I'm very articulate and appreciate it when someone speaks well, online though I could not care less.
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Old 04-22-05, 01:52 PM   #16
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Yeah. Not everyone speaks English as their primary language. Sure there is the occasional person who just doesn’t care, but it seems to me this forum has members from all over the world. If a person can be understood, then the basic function of language (communication) is fulfilled.

Loosen up is what I say
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Old 04-22-05, 01:55 PM   #17
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An occasional mistake doesn't bother me, it's when the entire post is filled with AOLese, like "prolly, ur, ru, wat" etc....that I just ignore it. Break vs. brake bugs me too.

I don't take to the "it's just an internet forum" excuse. Lazy is lazy.
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Old 04-22-05, 01:57 PM   #18
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One time a new member p.m'd me as he wanted some help as I was the only poster who didn't lay down some crap about his grammer.

He explained in his message, that engish was not even a second launguage for him, but was willing to try hard to get his questions across. I don't think he wanted to explain this in his thread -as the fist few replies were pretty toxic.

I'd worry more about the tone of replies when posters disagree or a newb askes a fool question. No reason to belittle someone because they have poor grammer, spelling or working knowlage of bicycles.
Very good point.
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Old 04-22-05, 01:59 PM   #19
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15 replies (not "reply's", larue) and no one has mentioned pedal v. peddle or road v. rode? As in:

"I have clipless peddles on my rode bike."
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I don't take to the "it's just an internet forum" excuse. Lazy is lazy.
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John Walker (founder of Autodesk, Inc. and co-author of AutoCAD) in an article entitled, The Internet Slum had an observation to make that sort of relates to this topic.

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Originally Posted by konageezer
"Oh, look," the masses sighed dejectedly, "The kona geezer is going on a rant."

I'm enjoying Bike Forum, but I'm having trouble deciphering a lot of what I read here. I can usually muscle through the odd dangling modifier and cope with lazy spelling. I have learned to relax about the general inability to differentiate "there," "their," and "they're," and I will not revisit "its" and "it's."

But we're crossing over into the disturbing realm of "hooked on phonics" bucketheads whose posts look as though they are typed with the forehead while the posters are all baked on reefer.

I mean, I'm not trying to offend, but this is going to drive me CRAZY! Why don't people even know how words are supposed to look? Doesn't anybody read anymore? If this is the way of the future, could we try to standardize our clumsy, uneducated phonetic spelling? Can we AT LEAST give our offerings the old once-over to see if they make any sense? (pant, pant, pant)

Don't even get me started on syntax.

Thank you for your time.
I agree completely!

My #1 most hated errors: "loose" vs. "lose" - we're talking about cycling here, not archery
"brake" vs. "break"
"peddle" vs. "pedal"
"definately" - how hard can it be? finite, definite, definitely!
's for plurals instead of s

However, I think it's important to remember that some people don't really have the ability to just look at a word and know that it's misspelled.
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i thnik whe one i dislike the Most is things like "petal" "peddle" and definantly break! I have no issue with typos, hey im awful about mixing up my t and h. So i say hte all the time. But sometimes especially with new comers I can hardly read the content! In which case i just say screw it and skip the post. I smack my head on my desk whenever I go into the BMX forum
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