Hard to tell... water proof is a nice thing, as well as the reflector tape... and the strap hardware looks pretty good... but one has to wonder about the very critical attachment hardware. My experience has been that elastic cords for attachment to a rack are sub par. I cannot tell how these attach to the rack itself... and that is a key issue.
I've dealt with both these issues in some other low cost panniers... and yeah, you can "engineer" them yourself, and fix these sorts of issues... but you are going into these panniers knowing that they may already have "issues."Second, because of size, certain aspects of physics come into play. If you under load the bags, the bottom edges will begin to curve inwards a bit and you need to make sure you rig them to not have the edge tips touch the spokes. However, I added thin fiberboard inserts cut to the size of the bottoms to improve rigidity and arrest the curve-in aspect. Possibly overkill, but I'm an engineer.
Third, these do not have clips to attach to your rack, they are saddle bags that have 3 straps to attach to the rack. 2 in back, 1 in front. They have 2 under straps on the back of the bags to attached to the rack post to keep them from flopping when you turn left/right.
BTW that catching spokes thing is really annoying if you like to climb out of the saddle from time to time. I used thin aluminum "plates" in one old set of panniers to fix this. I have long considered a different rack just to avoid this... a rack that extends further back over my rear wheel.
As far as the saddle bag thing... well that might be OK. It comes down to how you use your panniers.
I tend to keep one pannier set up for local regular trips... so spare tubes, U lock, garage door opener, maybe a light jacket and tool kit... then I throw in anything I might need for the day... I often leave the other pannier at home. I don't think this "saddlebag" set up will allow for single bag riding... so for me, that is a non starter. YMMV.
In comparison with being poked with a Poisoned umbrella tip?
I like the canvas. It would look good with some bikes. Heavy?
But, they look quite long. They'd have to be set very far back on my bike. I have troubles believing they don't get heel strike on the bikes as configured. I suppose without clips or cleats, one might have more forward foot positioning.
The second set you posted looks more compact, but square on the bottom, so perhaps not saving a lot of forward space. I did think about those a while ago though.
Last edited by CliffordK; 07-11-15 at 11:07 AM.
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Only time will tell if the Child seam sewing was Done Under the Lash, and is crap or not.
I do have to put the bags pretty far back. I need to keep almost the whole rear triangle clear. Yes, I might get a bit better clearance if the rack was level, but I put this one on the bike decades ago, and it is what I got at the time Perhaps I'll work on improving it a bit shortly. Still, the old Blackburn rack is very STRONG considering there are no proper mounts.
I got the bags quite cheap, but I kind of like the orange.
Surley, Blackburn and others are now making racks that kinda "extend back" to relieve us of those spoke issues. I have been using the same Blackburn rack for some 20 years or so, and offer high regards for it.
Love the orange panniers.
For daily commuting I have an orange mesh I use over my outside pannier.IMG_0207_web.jpg Anything to improve visibility.