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Old 05-09-05, 08:39 AM   #1
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Would you take another job for 3-5k more?

Here's the situation, I've been working here for almost 3 years but 2 and a half of those years was part time during school. I've been full time less than a year. A friend of mine tells me there's a position open at her company that pays 3-5k more. It's about 20 min longer a commute. But I'm getting really comfortable here, no one minds me coming in all sweaty with my bike, I get a private place to change, and the hours are pretty flexible (come and go +- 30-45 min).
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All are quality-of-life issues.

Does the new job have no cycling/shower facilities?

Is the new commute more perilous?

Is the work better, worse, more or less challenging?

Are there opportunities for advancement?

Answer these questions, and it will be time for you to leave. Or stay.

As an afterthought, one year of full-time work seems like an awfully short time to be "comfortable."

Bonne chance!
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if it's good for your career in the long term, it may well be worth it. if it's a job that won't lead to anything, and requires a lot more work and less flexability with commuting, etc. then 3-5k probably isn't worth it. it's always hard to weigh the advantages of "more money" vs. "comfortable work envirnoment", because you're comparing something quantitative to something qualitative.
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If your 1 year review is coming soon, you may end up with a raise that is equal to that.
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I have to ask about the company, she says there's room for improvement, maybe 2-3 promotions but that's about where it ends. The commute's slightly more direct but a little slower (since it goes through manhattan into harlem rather than me going from brooklyn->queens). Work environment from what she says is definitely stricter and less comfy though I'll be doing more.
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Here's the situation, I've been working here for almost 3 years but 2 and a half of those years was part time during school. I've been full time less than a year. A friend of mine tells me there's a position open at her company that pays 3-5k more. It's about 20 min longer a commute. But I'm getting really comfortable here, no one minds me coming in all sweaty with my bike, I get a private place to change, and the hours are pretty flexible (come and go +- 30-45 min).
Be careful !
Ask lots of questions.........
Ive taken the 'dream job' only to end up in a personal hell.
3-5K is just that. Quality of life....Priceless.
Hope it works out for you whatever you do
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Old 05-09-05, 11:25 AM   #7
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You should always consider opportunities - at this point you are only considering applying. If you apply, are selected for interview, and are offered the job, the salary differential could be larger. Why not go through the interview process and then decide. People have also been known to use job offers to get raises. You should at least investigate further.
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Isn't that kind of like threatening my boss?
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Isn't that kind of like threatening my boss?
Well, I wouldn't be surprised if your boss looks around at potential jobs now and then (without telling his or her boss about it). And should your boss find out that you are potentially in demand elsewhere, your value will likely go up at your current place of employment--not down.
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Isn't that kind of like threatening my boss?
Depends on how you approach the subject. You can be a dick and walk in say: "pay me what they'll pay or I'm out of here." Or you can say: "An opening has come up that will pay more, but I like it here & want to stay - can you match it?"

My recommendation: if the 3-5K is interesting to you then you ought to look around a little more & see what else is out there.
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Old 05-09-05, 12:09 PM   #11
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Isn't that kind of like threatening my boss?
Just don't be threatning about it. The last company I worked for only gave raises to beople who said they were leaving! yea they sucked. But if you are comfortable there and get along with your boss you can always sit down and talk. Just say hey I was offered another job and I don't know what to do, hint hint. If they like you they have no choice to give you more. I hate to say it but don't forget even though you may be working fo da man you are still working for #1 you. Your company will not bat an eyelash when it comes to downsizing and getting rid of you. Your in the business of earning a living and you have to buy sell and trade that to all employers. Also I would interview anyway because you are at such an advantage; you have a job you like and don't reall care, best time to control an interview. Who knows they may offer you something else for even more.

Having said all that. For me quality of live means everything. I commute 10 miles to work each day, work in a beautiful old house built in 1860, my boss is awesome and so are the people I work with. It would cost at least 10k for me to commute by car and sit in traffic etc... But I also always shop around...
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Old 05-09-05, 12:21 PM   #12
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I agree with the posts above - what matters is how you bring it up. As the chair of an academic department at a University (and a former dean) my advice to my faculty it to keep yourselves employable. The people who can easily get other positions are the ones who get most of the raises - if you keep it to yourself, how will your boss know? In such situations, I am always prepared to take the other position though!
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I've had 3 different jobs in 3 different cities in the past 3 years. I informed each company once my decision to leave was made, and each one offered me more money. If you're a strong-working, quality employee with a good track record who enjoys where you work, I don't think it would be out of line to speak with your boss regarding a raise. Companies spend an awful lot of money hiring and training their employees, so it may be beneficial to your employer to keep you on, even at a higher pay rate.

Sounds like you have a nice set up currently; why not give them a shot?
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Old 05-09-05, 12:55 PM   #14
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I have to ask about the company, she says there's room for improvement, maybe 2-3 promotions but that's about where it ends. The commute's slightly more direct but a little slower (since it goes through manhattan into harlem rather than me going from brooklyn->queens). Work environment from what she says is definitely stricter and less comfy though I'll be doing more.
All this says stay. If you haven't gotten your first review - STAY. Leaving a job after only 1 year is poor form especially since you worked there through school - stay. The only reason to leave is if there is a hugh change in something like responsibility and I doubt that for only 3-5K.

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All this says stay. If you haven't gotten your first review - STAY. Leaving a job after only 1 year is poor form especially since you worked there through school - stay. The only reason to leave is if there is a hugh change in something like responsibility and I doubt that for only 3-5K.

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Ditto...

Also, sometimes the cash just isn't worth it. I have been offered a few jobs with signifigant pay increases. But my situation in and of itself is worth 15,000$ / year to me right now. Thats how I work it out anyways. Attach a value to what you love about your job. Then do the comparison
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Go with what makes you happier. Money ain't everything. It helps, but if you're at a job that's unsatisfying, you'll be dreaming about the job you left, and that will probably make you more unhappy than anything.

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IMO, 3-5K isn't enough to make a switch for unless there's other perks that come along with the new job.
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Also look at benefits. Does your current job have decent benefits? How do they compare to the benefits offered by the potential job? How long do you have to wait for health insurance coverage and vacation time at the new job? I've changed jobs 3 times in 3 years. At each job, I had just passed my 1 year anniversary, and earned one week of vacation time. At each one, I changed jobs before I had a chance to use it. It's now been about 4 years since I had a vacation, and I'm feeling burned out, even though I've only been in my current job for just over 8 months. Right now I live across the street from work. It would take a substantial increase in pay and benefits to get me to jump ship. Closer to $6k to $8k/year. But that's me.

My advice: research the company. If it sounds like a good deal, start the process. If they offer you the position, go to your boss and let them know and see what they say. It may turn out that, while your pay will increase $3k-5k per year, the benefits suck, translating to an actual decrease in compensation. You'll also need to factor in your new commute costs (time & $).

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