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Old 06-17-16, 06:54 PM   #1
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180 lumens on a single aaa keychain flashlight

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I don't think all lumens are created equally. It would be hard to believe that light could produce the light that the more expensive lights do. I'm not one that believes more money equals better products but there is a minimum that I expect to pay to achieve a certain level of performance. I've owned some expensive flashlights and have found there is a reason lights such as is offered by companies like SureFire cost so much.

That light might be great but I suspect a 180 lumen rating coming from one of the well known high end light manufactures would produce an obviously higher level beam.
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I have a light meter sadly its read lux not lumens but it sure shows lots of lux
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The ad copy claims three minutes at 180 lumens. That might be believable. I wonder how many of those cycles it would withstand. Probably a good idea to replace the battery after any usage at maximum output to avoid leakage.

The claim of 42 minutes at 90 lumens sounds more plausible. My little lightweight USB rechargeable helmet light seems to be pretty close to 100 lumens, and lasts about 3 hours -- longer on flash.
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I don't think all lumens are created equally. It would be hard to believe that light could produce the light that the more expensive lights do. I'm not one that believes more money equals better products but there is a minimum that I expect to pay to achieve a certain level of performance. I've owned some expensive flashlights and have found there is a reason lights such as is offered by companies like SureFire cost so much.

That light might be great but I suspect a 180 lumen rating coming from one of the well known high end light manufactures would produce an obviously higher level beam.
You may be right on that... things like the quality of the switch for instance and the reflector and glass used as part of the lens... all make a difference.

I have several give away flashlights from Harbor Freight and they really are crap... very unreliable.

I keep one of these 40 lumen flashlights on a lanyard with my sailing knife. Maglite Solitaire LED 1-Cell AAA Flashlight

it is "only" 40 lumens, but it is darn bright, brighter than my old 5 D cell incandescent mag light. Now that IS amazing.
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You may be right on that... things like the quality of the switch for instance and the reflector and glass used as part of the lens... all make a difference.

I have several give away flashlights from Harbor Freight and they really are crap... very unreliable.

I keep one of these 40 lumen flashlights on a lanyard with my sailing knife. Maglite Solitaire LED 1-Cell AAA Flashlight

it is "only" 40 lumens, but it is darn bright, brighter than my old 5 D cell incandescent mag light. Now that IS amazing.
This is like car audio power ratings. You can get a cheap amp that "rated" to say 800 watt but if you compare it to something like an old Hifonics amp rated at say 100 watts you will here an unmistakable difference. Neither is making false claims but using difference formulas for get the numbers, granted only a very low portion of people will need what the extra money buys but it is worth the extra for those that do.

As far as flashlights I will pay the extra for the Surefire, IMO they are really that good. I've used about all the different mounted lights over the years and the Surefire is hands down the most durable and reliable. I have an old M900 I must of bought maybe 12 years ago, it has never given me a bit of problems and has had a hard life. I can sort of justify the expense when something seemingly lasts forever.
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This is like car audio power ratings. You can get a cheap amp that "rated" to say 800 watt but if you compare it to something like an old Hifonics amp rated at say 100 watts you will here an unmistakable difference. Neither is making false claims but using difference formulas for get the numbers, granted only a very low portion of people will need what the extra money buys but it is worth the extra for those that do.

As far as flashlights I will pay the extra for the Surefire, IMO they are really that good. I've used about all the different mounted lights over the years and the Surefire is hands down the most durable and reliable. I have an old M900 I must of bought maybe 12 years ago, it has never given me a bit of problems and has had a hard life. I can sort of justify the expense when something seemingly lasts forever.
Gee a weapon light... OK what ever trips your trigger...

But for a couple hundred bucks... OK this is not your basic go to flashlight... but jeeze. Give me a good LED Maglight any day... for a tiny fraction of the cost. Remember the OP was talking about a keychain flashlight... not some specialized weapon mounted thing.

Mag lite Solitare. Good, reliable, damn bright... keychain light.
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Gee a weapon light... OK what ever trips your trigger...

But for a couple hundred bucks... OK this is not your basic go to flashlight... but jeeze. Give me a good LED Maglight any day... for a tiny fraction of the cost. Remember the OP was talking about a keychain flashlight... not some specialized weapon mounted thing.

Mag lite Solitare. Good, reliable, damn bright... keychain light.
Surefire makes all type of flashlights (I have 3 G2's and 3 Executive Series hand held) the reference to the M900 was because I have owned it the longest and it has by far lived the hardest life (1000's of rounds of recoil is a lot of beating). Talking about one my my G2's that has been in the glove compartment of my truck for the last 3 years isn't a testament to it's durability. The G2's were $25-$30 each when I bought them and the Executives were from $60-$125 (2 of them were gifts), the M900 was expensive.
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Surefire makes all type of flashlights (I have 3 G2's and 3 Executive Series hand held) the reference to the M900 was because I have owned it the longest and it has by far lived the hardest life (1000's of rounds of recoil is a lot of beating). Talking about one my my G2's that has been in the glove compartment of my truck for the last 3 years isn't a testament to it's durability. The G2's were $25-$30 each when I bought them and the Executives were from $60-$125 (2 of them were gifts), the M900 was expensive.
Keychain light.

Surefire does have a rechargeable "sidekick" light... that is a keychain light... but still darn expensive.

Anyway, I think the point of the OP is "Wow, we really have come a long way with flashlights..." and that is hard to deny.
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Keychain light.

Surefire does have a rechargeable "sidekick" light... that is a keychain light... but still darn expensive.

Anyway, I think the point of the OP is "Wow, we really have come a long way with flashlights..." and that is hard to deny.
No doubt, especially with LED's. Some of the early high output lights would kill a pair of CR123's in less than 30 minutes at 60 lumens now some of the LED's put out 5 times that and the batteries last 5 times as long.
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That light might be great but I suspect a 180 lumen rating coming from one of the well known high end light manufactures would produce an obviously higher level beam.
My experience with bike lights is that the better ones have much better optics. The available light only goes where you need it, and it doesn't have bright and dull areas within the area you need the light. You can get more useful light from fewer lumens because nothing is wasted.
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My experience with bike lights is that the better ones have much better optics. The available light only goes where you need it, and it doesn't have bright and dull areas within the area you need the light. You can get more useful light from fewer lumens because nothing is wasted.
Yes, premium optics is an area where quality has a premium buy-in. It's one of those things until you use high end you can't appreciate the difference.
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I don't think all lumens are created equally. It would be hard to believe that light could produce the light that the more expensive lights do. I'm not one that believes more money equals better products but there is a minimum that I expect to pay to achieve a certain level of performance. I've owned some expensive flashlights and have found there is a reason lights such as is offered by companies like SureFire cost so much.

That light might be great but I suspect a 180 lumen rating coming from one of the well known high end light manufactures would produce an obviously higher level beam.
Different tints, heat sinking, lens durability, battery type and capacity, switch reliability, emitter type, driver quality, these things all equate to an expensive light when made right.

You can even see from streamlight, the number one brand for professional use these days it seems, garbage switches and nicad batteries as standard with rechargeable models.

Certainly surefire is a great company, and is among the most reliable and easiest to fix, but their disdain for useable multiple modes and AA's and 18650's makes them a joke for many types of uses.

Things have come a very long way even in just the last 5 years, both with throwaways and more expensive keepers, but for years of reliable service with no hassles, it still very much pays to research heavily before buying.
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Different tints, heat sinking, lens durability, battery type and capacity, switch reliability, emitter type, driver quality, these things all equate to an expensive light when made right.

You can even see from streamlight, the number one brand for professional use these days it seems, garbage switches and nicad batteries as standard with rechargeable models.

Certainly surefire is a great company, and is among the most reliable and easiest to fix, but their disdain for useable multiple modes and AA's and 18650's makes them a joke for many types of uses.

Things have come a very long way even in just the last 5 years, both with throwaways and more expensive keepers, but for years of reliable service with no hassles, it still very much pays to research heavily before buying.
The last Streamlight I owned was an M3, beam quality was nowhere near as clean as the Surefire. It's been longer than 5 years since I was spending the kind of money it takes to keep up with these things, another reason I'm glad the Surefire lights are as durable as they have been for me.
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ha I bought a light they say is 25000 lumens it uses 4 18659 cells in parelel and gets very very hot but I don't think its 25000 lumens but it does put out a boat load of ligh for its size
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The last Streamlight I owned was an M3, beam quality was nowhere near as clean as the Surefire. It's been longer than 5 years since I was spending the kind of money it takes to keep up with these things, another reason I'm glad the Surefire lights are as durable as they have been for me.
I've had 6 streamlights, 2 Stingers, 4 stylus pro's, all LED's, that number being because 2 I gave away, 2 got left inside cars I was working on, and 2 I still have. The beam quality has never been a problem with them that I've seen on any of mine nor anyone elses, they are excellent in fact, though certainly the incan ones were a lot different in that regard, and while I haven't operated an incan Streamlight since 2011, I find it rather easy to believe that an OE P60 would produce a much cleaner beam.
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ha I bought a light they say is 25000 lumens it uses 4 18659 cells in parelel and gets very very hot but I don't think its 25000 lumens but it does put out a boat load of ligh for its size
Sounds dangerous, lol. Those 18650's hold a ton of energy. Amazing batteries.

I still have the 300lm Mini Cree single AA you recommended to me about two years ago. The push button stinks, it's kind of difficult to get it to stay on one mode, but I still use it daily. For $6 with 2 day shipping I can't complain.
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Sounds dangerous, lol. Those 18650's hold a ton of energy. Amazing batteries.

I still have the 300lm Mini Cree single AA you recommended to me about two years ago. The push button stinks, it's kind of difficult to get it to stay on one mode, but I still use it daily. For $6 with 2 day shipping I can't complain.
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I love this light it will shine as far as the tree line not sure how far it is but its very far for a aaa light
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I was actually going to ask your opinion windhchaser, any suggestions for a light under $20, single AA or 18650? I'm considering the one that's the subject of the thread, but it's a little more than I'd like to spend and I'm trying to get AAA's out of my life. The one I've had: https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1, that you suggested, was great, but I'd like something just a small step up in build quality.

Thinking about this single 18650 one by Anker: https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B01G8E3T...I3CC07GSBSOAXR

Several months back these LED lanterns came out in droves and got down to like $8 so I picked one up. Really bright and has come in handy a few times:
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