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samp02 05-23-05 10:07 AM

Networking computers.
 
HELP...networking 2 computers that are network compatible. My question is for ethernet cables. Are they all male to male??? Is there any better than others. Looking at linksy cables. And does length matter. For example. If the distance needed is 10 feet and I get a 50 foot cable will it effect performance??For many reason wirless is not option at this time. Thanks.

Tweek 05-23-05 10:18 AM

If you want to network just 2 computers without a router, you can just pick up a ethernet cable called a crossover cable pretty much anywhere, RadioShack, BestBuy, whatever.

As for distance you won't see any performance hit.

And why isn't wireless an option for you? I love my wireless G network, best thing I ever got.

samp02 05-23-05 10:24 AM

wired hook up is just easier in this case. Is this a cable that can be used???
http://www.buy.com/cat/Cables/56891.html

looking at the linksy cables?????

Tweek 05-23-05 10:28 AM

http://www.shentech.com/spacshut7fee1.html

This is basicly all it is, it's just a regular 10/100 ethernet cable but with the connector on one end reversed so there is no router or hub required. I did it for a while when i lived in FL, when I only had 2 computers, and it worked awesomly.

dragracer 05-23-05 11:11 AM

Shorter is better(less signal loss), but ethernet will work fine up to 100 meters.

Hey samp if you would like, I can make you a crossover cable any length you want and send it to you. No charge for the cable, just cover the shipping cost. I would test it before I sent it to make 100% certain that it works. Shoot me a pm or something if I can help.

The cable would be solid copper, not stranded copper like the "store bought" cables. Would be Cat 5E wire...about the best you can get. Make them all the time and they work just fine. :)

khuon 05-23-05 11:13 AM

These days, many switches and routers have auto-MDI/MDX so more often than not a crossover cable actually gives you the best flexibility.

nick burns 05-23-05 11:45 AM

This is a pretty good site for the basics of home networking:

http://www.homenethelp.com/web/faq/index.asp

PainTrain 05-23-05 12:33 PM

And yes, they will be RJ45 on both ends.

operator 05-23-05 12:50 PM

A router is like $20, to not pick one up is approaching ... idiotic.

Tweek 05-23-05 01:04 PM

As long as its a Linksys, try to stay away from Netgear, I've had some bad experience with 2 Netgear products. (poor software)

If you go the router route, go for a Linksys or D-Link. My choise would be Linksys though.

khuon 05-23-05 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Tweek
As long as its a Linksys, try to stay away from Netgear, I've had some bad experience with 2 Netgear products. (poor software)

If you go the router route, go for a Linksys or D-Link. My choise would be Linksys though.

I've had the opposite experience with Linksys. Random resets and weird sleep conditions on my Linksys WAP11v2.4, odd WEP key calculation issues (Linksys engineers apparently forgot how to convert HEX), bizarre duplexing issues, MAC table corruption issues... My D-Link AP every so often will lock up or randomly reboot itself when traffic levels get high. The Netgear switches and APs I've used were fairly solid comparitively. Of course my main gear is either my company's own wireless, switch and router stuff or Cisco gear. I've also found Orinoco/Agere/whatever-they-are-called-these-days stuff to be highly stable too.

Tweek 05-23-05 01:32 PM

I'm running 3rd party firmware on my Linksys WRT54GS which could be why I'm getting good results, I installed the 3rd party a week after I got it.

PainTrain 05-23-05 01:52 PM

Doesn't Cisco own Linksys now? Surprising they would allow those kind of issues.

khuon 05-23-05 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PainTrain
Doesn't Cisco own Linksys now? Surprising they would allow those kind of issues.

Yes. Cisco does own Linksys now. To be fair, the Linksys equipment I have is pre-Cisco era. That said, Cisco is not exactly known for being bug-free either. I have endless stories of Cisco bugs and "oopsies" even in multi-million dollar Cisco hardware.

JBehrmann 05-23-05 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by operator
A router is like $20, to not pick one up is approaching ... idiotic.


A crappy $20 router is about the worst thing you can do if the goal is to only network two computers.

Tweek 05-23-05 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JBehrmann
A crappy $20 router is about the worst thing you can do if the goal is to only network two computers.

I was going to say that, but I didn't want to start an argument :x

Thanks :)

samp02 05-23-05 03:03 PM

This is what I am doing. I am networking 2 computers in the house. The basic premise is to share the cost of DSL with someone. My DSL providor os including a Linksy router and a modem. One computer will be using a D-Link USB ethernet adaptornd the other computer is network capable. I thought a router was necessary for networking. I know what the modem does but what the heck is the router for???

dragracer...I appreciate the offer. Really nice of you. A co-worker provided me with a 14 foot cable today. This should do the job...I hope.

Will be looking at the links provided. But now I gotta get some miles on the old bike. Keep your fingers crossed as I enter the world of networking. :D

khuon 05-23-05 03:08 PM

If your DSL provider is including a router then most likely it will be one with multiple ports and a built-in switch or at least hub. You will probably want to connect your two computers to that router and not point-to-point with each other.

JBehrmann 05-24-05 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samp02
This is what I am doing. I am networking 2 computers in the house. The basic premise is to share the cost of DSL with someone. My DSL providor os including a Linksy router and a modem. One computer will be using a D-Link USB ethernet adaptornd the other computer is network capable. I thought a router was necessary for networking. I know what the modem does but what the heck is the router for???

dragracer...I appreciate the offer. Really nice of you. A co-worker provided me with a 14 foot cable today. This should do the job...I hope.

Will be looking at the links provided. But now I gotta get some miles on the old bike. Keep your fingers crossed as I enter the world of networking. :D


Like Khuon said, you will probably just plug both computers into the router's built in switch and be done with it. A router is used to join different networks. You will have a network on your premises with the two computers attached through the built in switch. The IP addresses they will use will be non-routable, and therefore not useful on the internet. The router (everything besides it's built in switch) will then be the go-between for your new internal network and the internet.

samp02 05-24-05 10:38 AM

One last question regarding the cable. The package that the cable is in reads..RJ45 CAT-5E PATCH CABLE. Is this what I nned that goes from router to computer with the USB nework adapter. Thanks everyones input. I think I can do this :)

khuon 05-24-05 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samp02
One last question regarding the cable. The package that the cable is in reads..RJ45 CAT-5E PATCH CABLE. Is this what I nned that goes from router to computer with the USB nework adapter. Thanks everyones input. I think I can do this :)

Yes. That should work.

samp02 05-24-05 10:47 AM

Thanks. I understood that there are "crossover cables" but that not meant to use with a router. I just did not know what patch cables were. Thanks

samp02 05-24-05 10:49 AM

this is an example of what was given to me.
http://www.censuspc.com/cart/product...&cat=66&page=1

JBehrmann 05-24-05 10:54 AM

That will be fine, "patch" means it is designed for short runs to end points (computers) on the network.

khuon 05-24-05 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samp02
Thanks. I understood that there are "crossover cables" but that not meant to use with a router. I just did not know what patch cables were. Thanks

A crossover might work if your switch has auto-MDI/MDX. For people who know that they will always be dealing with switches that are auto and sometimes want the ability to do point-to-point connections then a crossover is actually a more flexible solution. If however the cable runs are going to be fairly static to a switch then a straight cable is what's needed.


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