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Old 09-24-05, 09:17 PM   #1
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Problems installing external HDD- AAAAUUUGH!

I have a Samsung hard drive- the Samsung SP-160 4N, to be exact that I bought a little over a month ago. I got my brother to configure the pin so that it would be recognized as an additional drive on my computer. When I plugged it in and turned on the computer, it did recognize there was new hardware on my computer. So I go to My Computer, and there's no icon for the new hard drive. So I go to the CMOS, and it's there... under Removeable Hard Drive. So I save the information and go through the reboot, and again, I get the new hardware message. So I go back to My Computer.... nothing. I checked the enclosure case (3.5), and it's fine. I haven't put the screws on it yet, but the hard drive is snugly inside the case and not able to move around at all. So I close the case and go back to CMOS. Still... it's recognized as part of my hard drive as removeable hard drive. So I save the information and try to reboot. Numberous times. But there is no icon, so there's no way to click on the new hard drive.

I'm kind of desperate because I'm nearly out of hard drive here. I only have about 1 Gig of hard drive left. I don't think that the lack of hard drive is the problem, but who knows? I'm trying to attach a 160 gig hard drive to my laptop, and I'm wondering if maybe the amount of hard drive I have available is not enough to support this new hard drive.

Any ideas? Please be kind. I am very limited in the computer talk area- it took me a month of playing around with this on and off to get to this point, so I need it dumbed down right good.

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Old 09-24-05, 09:53 PM   #2
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do you have both cables plugged in? I am presuming that you are using a small hd enclosure that needs 2 USB ports with a laptop. Win 2000 recognizes mine ok
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I have the ultra Slim enclosure, and it only needs one USB port.

My brother just told me that the enclosure may be the problem. That seriously makes me PO'ed. He said I should take it back and get a hard drive that comes with its own enclosure. I specifically asked those a holes at tigerdirect (the store) if it mattered if I got the hard drive separate from the enclosure or if I got the external hard drives that were built with their own enclosures. Crap crap crap! And I've had this over a month, and the tigerdirect policy is that once it's opened, you can't return it. Crappity crap crap crap. Now I have to figure out what to do. It's not like I'm moneybags or anything. Is there an enclosure that will work with the Samsung hard drive that will work with the HP laptop (Windows XP)?

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Can you describe the cables that came with it? Just one USB? Mine has 2-- one is a normal usb and the other is a usb/ps2 on one side and a usb on the other. I only ask because I thought I only needed one, but it turned out both where needed. If this is not right in your case, which enclose do you have there's like 20 online at tiger.
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Koffee, I suspect the drive is not partitioned yet.


Go into control panel, administrative, and computer management . Go to the "disk management" tool found on the left column.

From this point on, double check before doing anything. I doubt anything will go wrong, but it's good policy to always double check when putzing around in the management console.

You should see your drive there. Right click on the device on the list presented, and
there should be an option to "initialize". Do this. If you do not see this option just go to the next step.

Now that it's been initialized, time to partition it. right click in the row to the right of the drive, and pick "New partition". From there just choose the size of the partition, the name of it (optional),drive letter (whatever suits your fancy), and the format of the partition (NTFS is preferred, but FAT32 can be used if you ever wish to hook your drive to a win95/98/me computer).

It will take a while, but once the partition is done formatting, go ahead and fill it up!
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Old 09-24-05, 11:22 PM   #6
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Koffee, I suspect the drive is not partitioned yet.


Go into control panel, administrative, and computer management . Go to the "disk management" tool found on the left column.

From this point on, double check before doing anything. I doubt anything will go wrong, but it's good policy to always double check when putzing around in the management console.

You should see your drive there. Right click on the device on the list presented, and
there should be an option to "initialize". Do this. If you do not see this option just go to the next step.

Now that it's been initialized, time to partition it. right click in the row to the right of the drive, and pick "New partition". From there just choose the size of the partition, the name of it (optional),drive letter (whatever suits your fancy), and the format of the partition (NTFS is preferred, but FAT32 can be used if you ever wish to hook your drive to a win95/98/me computer).

It will take a while, but once the partition is done formatting, go ahead and fill it up!

Right, catatonic Since your laptop recognizes the hard drive as a new device, it's definitely there. It just needs to be initialized and formatted.
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Catatonic has the right answer most likely.

It shouldn't matter what enclosure you have....other than quality, that shouldn't make a difference. Its not like some enclosures only work for Samsun hard drives, or Western Digital or whatever.

It also shouldn't have two different cables....I've never even heard of that. Typically, there "may" be two different plugs on the back (USB or firewire), but that's because you can use either one (not both at the same time). That's only on higher end enclosures....a regular one typically only has a USB plug on the back.
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I don't want to partition the drive. I just wanted the hard drive to show up as the new drive... like the F:/ drive or something like that. If I partitioned it, I wouldn't be able to see it unless I chose that drive when I booted up the laptop? That's definitely not what I want.

I did speak to Maelstrom, and I do suspect my brother never formatted the drive. I suspect once I format the drive and initialize it (or whatever you call it), then get install it on my computer, it should be ok.

The hard drive only has one plug. It just has the USB plug in the back and KT said.

Thanks to your suggestions. When my brother gets home this evening, we'll try it again. Hopefully it works, because I'm totally out of hard drive and going crazy with waiting several minutes to get a dang program to open!

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Question- once it's formatted, if I set it as the master, then install it, and it doesn't work out, can I set it as a slave and reboot and everything will be ok, or is it that once I set it as the master or the slave, it can't be changed?

Just wondering. My brother is totally buggin' and he doesn't think it should be set as the master once it's formatted.

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Are you taking the hard drive out of its external case? If not, see #2.

1. If you are, then you have to set it to slave. It doesn't matter if you format it before setting it to slave/master. The computer will boot to the primary master drive, so you should just set it to slave. [edit: Since you're on a laptop, you won't need to set it to master/slave at all... skip to #2]

2. Connecting it using the USB cable, you will still need to initialize it and then partition. Partitioning simply means you are allocating space to assign a drive letter. You can't assign a drive letter until you partition. After you create a partition, you will need to format it.
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I bought the hard drive and the external drive separately, then put the hard drive in the case.

Are you saying I should initialize the hard drive first, then partition the hard drive, then set to slave, then format the hard drive? Then after that, I can connect it to my laptop and it'll recognize the hard drive?

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yes, see to format a drive, it must be partitioned...even if it's just a single drive-encompassing partition.

To partition, the drive needs to be initialized. You shouldn't have to play with the actual hardware other than making sure it's powered up and plugged into your computer.

so its: initialize -> partition (just make the partition the full size of the drive) -> format


edit: by the way, master/slve is irrelevant on a external drive, since the computer sees the USB signal, not the IDE signal. How IDE controllers work is there is a mater and slave setting on the drive so two drives can co-exist on the same data cable....since USB drives are a single drive IDE controller...so master/slave isn't really a big deal. I have two of these enclosures, and I jsut put the drives on as master.
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You don't need to change the jumpers at all, because it's a USB drive. You only change the master/slave jumper if you install the HD inside a computer (using IDE cables).

Within Control Panel | Administrative Tools | Computer Management | Disk Management:

1. Initialize
2. Partition
3. Format

Hope this helps,
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dangit, you got that jumper bit in while I was editing my post!

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All this helps. I'm not so panicked and angry anymore. Thanks!

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Yer in good hands Koffee.....seems like there are a few of us uber-computer geek types here to set ya straight.

Been out all day...but it looks like catatonic took care of ya gain. No worries about master/slave, etc... for an external usb drive.

Partitioning is not necessarily something regarding the boot. Any drive must have a partition before it can be formatted. It's just a way of saying "here is my space (partition)...now use this". That is how you can make one drive to look like multiple drives (more than one partition on the hard drive). However, in this case, you can partition it as one partition for the whole drive and format it. Then you should be good to go.

In fact, you won't have any option to format it until its been partitioned. It "may" have been partitioned before you got it...but Catatonic was saying that mainly "just in case" (because if it wasn't you'd be chasing ghosts).
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Thanks to everyone. I'll initialize it, but I'm still gonna wait for my brother to partition it, because I'm afraid if I do it wrong, I'll erase my entire hard drive on my laptop. That would cause me much angst.

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No worries, Koffee. Windows XP won't let you do anything to your system drive (C Drive). You can't format it, re-partition it, re-initialize it. If everything is on your C Drive, you're all right. [If you have a D Drive that isn't a CD/DVD Rom (that has files you saved on it), you'll need to be careful.]

But, initializing, partitioning and formatting the USB drive is pretty straight forward.
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Just go ahead and wait for your brother......I'd hate to have you accidentally mess something up when you've already come this far. Partitioning and formatting are areas that can be dangerous if not done correctly....so you are wise to "be sure" before you proceed.

BTW....you should consider backing up that hard drive so you won't quite so afraid of demolishing it.
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This new drive I'm putting on will be my backup. Besides running out of space on my current drive, I just wanted a way to back up my c drive. I think it's a pretty good idea, but I just need to figure out how to do it! Thanks again!

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BTW....another idea that may help you out.....once you get the new drive up and running, I would suggest moving some data over to it so you have more free space on that C drive on your laptop.

Windows uses a "swap file" (mimicks memory with hard drive space, for "virutal memory"). It is important that is there, but if you are almost out of space, it may be running slower because your can't have as much virtual memory as you should.

I would highly recommend moving some stuff over so that you have enough space for a decent amount of virtual memory. The "rule of thumb" is to have 1.5x the memory your computer has.

We can save the "how to"s and "what for"s until you get the other drive up and running. Tackle one problem at a time.
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I definately agree with KingTermite on this one....move some of that data over to the other drive.

A good safe point for windows swap file space is about 2GB, that's to cover any extra room windows may eat up on a bad day, depending on what you run on your computer.

Everything inside the "my documents" folder is the first thing to move over....people's my docs folder is like the "basement" of computing....there's so much stuff that nobody ever uses in there it's amazing!

Get your brother to help you with the format, but watch what he's doing, so in the future you can possibly do this yourself. Computers are not near as scary to work on as people think...it's like assembling a bike. Also knowing how to do this kind of stuff is a good way to save cash since you won't have to use any repair shops to get things done.
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Most definitely the plan is to empty out my drives on this computer onto my new hard drive. My new hard drive is 160 gig. This one on my laptop is only 30 gig. I figured as I continued usiing my laptop, I can move less important things on my external hard drive and the more important stuff can stay on my laptop. That way, I never worry about running out of memory on my laptop.

I always watch my brother when he does stuff. My sister-in-law barely scraped up her GED at 27, yet with all the watching she did with my brother, she knows nearly as much about computers as he does. I figured I'd do the same thing. So when he does something, I watch him and get him to explain it. My only problem with him is that he runs short on patience... he expects everyone to know a lot about computers. I wouldn't trust him as a teacher with newbies, but I would for those with advanced knowledge on the subject!

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