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Old 09-25-05, 10:03 PM   #1
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Old 09-25-05, 10:54 PM   #2
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Children are shaped throughout their lives by their parents, teachers and peers. Yet, once people finish school or leave home, they often think they know everything. They then become teachers for their kids and treat their kids like they can't teach their parents anything.

The only way to change is to think of yourself as a perennial student, forever learning about life's complexities and reshaping yourself when you learn something new.

Trump is a tool.
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It really depends what you consider as "change"

Sure, there are plenty of things about a person that changes over time. Aside from physical changes, they apply new knowledge to new and/or old situations and will thus come out with new results.

You can't force change on someone. You can't tell someone to change and expect it to happen.

I think by "People don't change" he probably meant "Don't expect people to change."

It takes a lot of personal discipline to change old habits. But it takes far more than changing some habits to actually have a change in the person him/her-self.
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Trump is a tool. Go watch some comedy instead. You'll learn better lessons in life from Monty Python than that blowhard.
He's just hamming it up for the cameras. People do change. I used to be an a$$hole, now I'm just a jerk.
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Old 09-26-05, 03:16 AM   #5
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Yeah, he's just saying that to increase his television show's ratings. People can change if they want to, that's why men have free will. They have the power to steer their lives to the right or wrong path.
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People can change. That's what rehabilitation is all about. If they couldn't, you might as well throw everyone in jail or just shoot them between the eyes and let them die like dogs.

Hey, that's an idea. Trump needs to be put down like a dog anyway. He's useless and his show is ridiculous. But I guess when you have money, you get free reign over anything you want.

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i've changed. you gotta really want to do it and drill it in as a habit. keep trying and when you fail try again. for me the biggest change i've ever accomplished was waking up early and getting a bike ride in before work. sounds simple, but it took almost 2 years of trying and failing. then for some reason, the habit just took. and now i naturally wake up earlier.
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You can change. But it takes a strong and stern evaluation and discipline.

As a younger child ages 11 to 17 I was addicted to TV. One day I turned the TV off and never turned it back on. For me this was a big change because I used to the person who would get emotional because i was missing my favorite show or movie. There are some aspects of me that will never change. I will always be very blunt and a smart aleck.

Just stick to it. and understand that change is not instantaneous and sometimes it takes a 2nd shot and sometimes you have to accept that there are certain things that you can't change and try to work around them or continue attacking them.
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Sure, people can certainly change. It's all a matter of motivation. If I offered you $10mil to stop smoking or drinking, I think a majority of people can do it.

But in cases like Trump's where he hires & fires thousands of people regularly, most of the benefits may not be worth enough motivation to them. The results in their lives are not that dramatic, so they don't. They're thinking, "He's offering me a $1/hr raise if I cut my hair and change my style of dress... nah, not worth it!" or they may leave to get a better job without having to change anything at all. Or in Trump's view, it's so much easier to hire someone with the right qualifications for the job, than to train and change someone who doesn't.

So it's all a matter of short-term perception vs. long-term results. Trump's probably not looking at a large enough time-frame to make his assessments. Or he may be looking at some larger, more deeply-rooted characteristics that may not be easy to change in people. For example, you're not going to convert many Republicans into Democrats and vice-versa.

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Sure, people can certainly change. It's all a matter of motivation. If I offered you $10mil to stop smoking or drinking, I think a majority of people can do it.
I accept your offer. Please PM me for PO Box number in which to send the check. I shall cease smoking upon reciept.


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Trump keeps making money because he's on a treadmill to pay off his latest wife. Will anyone ever love the guy for himself? I give long odds they won't.
Maybe The Donald meant that HE can't change.
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Sure, people can certainly change. It's all a matter of motivation. If I offered you $10mil to stop smoking or drinking, I think a majority of people can do it.

But in cases like Trump's where he hires & fires thousands of people regularly, most of the benefits may not be worth enough motivation to them. The results in their lives are not that dramatic, so they don't. They're thinking, "He's offering me a $1/hr raise if I cut my hair and change my style of dress... nah, not worth it!" or they may leave to get a better job without having to change anything at all. Or in Trump's view, it's so much easier to hire someone with the right qualifications for the job, than to train and change someone who doesn't.

So it's all a matter of short-term perception vs. long-term results. Trump's probably not looking at a large enough time-frame to make his assessments. Or he may be looking at some larger, more deeply-rooted characteristics that may not be easy to change in people. For example, you're not going to convert many Republicans into Democrats and vice-versa.
If you offered 10 million to stop smoking or drinking, I would TAKE UP smoking AND drinking, then go cold turkey to stop.

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Old 09-26-05, 12:59 PM   #13
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Sure, people can certainly change. It's all a matter of motivation. If I offered you $10mil to stop smoking or drinking, I think a majority of people can do it.
Being hesitent to make good?

Fine. I'll accpet a 25% Down Payment along with an IOU for the remaining 75%. However, there will be finance charge of 0.01% should you go this route.

Ugh, it's like pulling teeth to get people to do what they say they will sometimes. Come on Danno... I want to quit smoking, give me a good reason!
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Old 09-26-05, 01:03 PM   #14
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The only way to change is to think of yourself as a perennial student, forever learning about life's complexities and reshaping yourself when you learn something new.
How about "The only way to be open-minded is to think of yourself as a perennial student, forever learning about life's complexities and reshaping yourself when you learn something new."

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Trump is a tool.
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Old 09-26-05, 01:42 PM   #15
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I'm with tim...ya gotta want it.

I have seen it both ways though...myself...I have changed significantly in so many ways, for the better. And I have seen my sister go through several months of rehab and subsequently piss through several thousand dollars in the process...only to completely revert back to her old ways. This after a very convincing change of heart speech to the family two Christmases ago. The difference...I wanted my change. I don't think my sister ever had any intentions of quitting the pot. She says she's stayed clean of blow, but somehow I doubt it. Unfortunate. Wish I could trust her.

Oh yeah...and Trump IS tool-a giant one!
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Apparently he's never heard of Christine Jorgensen, Kate Bornstein or ME!

Take Kate's Gender Aptitude Test.

I scored a 53. Lower IS better! Muhhhhahahah!
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With a score of 104, I am a mere gender novice. But I'll guarantee that I know more about personal change of any kind than that tinhorn Trump.
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Apparently he's never heard of Christine Jorgensen, Kate Bornstein or ME!

Take Kate's Gender Aptitude Test.

I scored a 53. Lower IS better! Muhhhhahahah!
I started it but then I saw how long it was and decided I could live the rest of my life quite assured that I am indeed a woman.
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157, interesting to know there are people less sure than me!
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Your Gender Aptitude Score:
173

Now if you excuse me i'm going to take a long absence from BF to explore my possible gender change .


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Gee, it's like you have one hand in respectability and the other hand someplace where both of you like it. You're not always taken for 'normal', are you? In fact, you probably get an infrequent but regualar bout of the gender willies from time to time, don't you? And a lot of this gender stuff is probably kinda new to you ... a little scary and a little thrilling, right? Maybe it's time to explore exactily what scares you. Go on ... you know how to be gentle with yourself.
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Fact 1: Whether people change or not is irrelevant in this case. The fact is TV has changed. It has sunk below your level, and reality shows are leading the plummet with a roentgenium anchor around its ankles.

Fact 2: Donald Trump is a tool. He's built a business empire with the goal of making himself into someone big. Despite being adored by Forbes and having dozens of buildings named after him, he's still a person like everyone else. He's tried to build himself up in the public's eye with his new TV show, but ultimately he means no more to you or me than a regular bum, and he means far less than a hard-working American willing to turn off the TV for a couple hours everyday and make their own life better, despite Trump's calls to come back and soak up the glory of the boob-tube.

Now, armed with the truth, set specific goals for yourself. When you get up in the morning or on your commute home from work, figure out one thing you're going to do to make your house nicer. After you've done that, check the TV guide. If nothing in the guide sounds interesting, Don't Turn the TV On. Go for a ride. Think outside the shiny black box in your living room.
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Those aren't facts, those are personal judgements and interpretations. Facts are what everyone agrees on, such as the time the sun set on the West Coast, or the closing price of XYZ stock on 27-Sept. However, those two tidbits you put out are your own personal views and conclusions on things. There is at least one person who feels that TV has improved, therefore your 1st assertion is not fact, but your own personal opinion.

Regardless of how you judge Trump, no one will disagree that he's married to this:



Everyone will agree that he owns hotels and casinos. Doesn't matter what you think of him, he's still done those things. Those are the real facts.

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The gender appitude test means very little...

A low score really means you are open with your gender, maybe confused a bit, etc, high means you are really confident in who you are entirely.

BTW I scored a 61...

It is very close to other tests I have taken in the subject, what I find interesting is how fluid gender really is. We could talk hours about this though, but one thing...

Do not talk about sex change lightly, many many people struggle with that all their lives, it is truly possable to be born with a gender identity that is much different than what your body protrays on the outside. Most people never realize this, the whole "I am a guy and nothing else, or vice versa", I wish it was that easy. Can you change your sex though... well not really, science can not make someone that genetics could ever do, not with SRS, ect. What can change is someones perspective in life about who they are... and that is what changes.


BTW some things about people can change, but they have to want it to change. Some things are so deeply ingrained in your body, soul, spirit, etc that they will never change. Gender identity is one of those things that does not change, and on some levels is not even conditioned by society.

If people could not change though it would be hard for people to learn in school, etc.


Trump is a tool... that is for sure!
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Yeah Danno, you're right. They're opinions. And damn sensible ones if you ask me.

Whenever I flip to a channel with reality TV I can feel myself getting dumber.

Trump is married to that? Yep, he's a tool alright. I'd be ashamed to have a trophy wife, let alone some dizzy monkey like that. blech.
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Yeah Danno, you're right. They're opinions. And damn sensible ones if you ask me.

Whenever I flip to a channel with reality TV I can feel myself getting dumber.

Trump is married to that? Yep, he's a tool alright. I'd be ashamed to have a trophy wife, let alone some dizzy monkey like that. blech.
You'd be surprised at how many men would like to be rich so that they could get a trophy wife (or multiple trophy girls). I really think the number 1 reason why most men would like to be rich is for better opportunities with women.

I'm not sure if that makes the man, woman, or both the shallow ones..
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