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    Anyone "Backup" DVD's?

    Just curious if anyone "backs up" their DVD's. Ya know, like make copies of the ones you already have only. (in your best Beavis voice.)

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    The duplicating of copyrighted materials, even if not for profit, is illegal.

    I do not condone nor do I participate in the "backing up" of copyrighted materials.
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    I am talking about backing up copies of DVD's that you already own. I thought that was legal?

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    There is nothing wrong with making a copy for personal use, as in a back up copy.
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    I don't think there's anything wrong with making back-ups of music or video, but it does appear to be illegal, from what I've read of the DMCA. The contention is that making a copy(for your use) of a legally owned movie does not violate the copyright, which I believe to be the case. Circumventing encryption(CSS, in this case), however, is illegal, according to proponents of the DMCA.

    edit: Meant to mention "fair use", but forgot what it was called. Personal copies are okay, but getting around CSS is not-so you can't legally make copies of encrypted DVDs(or CDs, for that matter).
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    What are you guys doing to your DVDs that necessitates making a back up copy?

    Playing drunken frisbee?

    A friend of mine told me he duplicates his dvds in the event that the originals are stolen. I then asked him where he kept the copies: in a safe deposit box? buried in a trunk in the backyard?

    His reply: "I keep them on a shelf next to the originals."

    So, why do you guys make "back up" copies of your DVDs and where do you store them?
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    Same reason why people make backups of anything. In case the original gets stolen/scratched/owned.

    From the sound of it you seem like one of those people that don't backup anything. Good luck.

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    If I lend my DVDs to a friend, I'd rather give them a backup... uhh, I wasn't supposed to say that
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunninho
    If I lend my DVDs to a friend, I'd rather give them a backup... uhh, I wasn't supposed to say that
    I suppose you are backing up Blockbuster as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunninho
    If I lend my DVDs to a friend, I'd rather give them a backup... uhh, I wasn't supposed to say that

    It's funny, but I don't really worry about my DVDs. It's my CDs that I'm leery of loaning out. Of course, I have about 5 or 6 times more CDs than DVDs and I listen to music much more than I watch movies. I have made backups of CDs that are no longer being pressed so that I don't scratch up the original, but that's covered under fair use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrench_meister
    The duplicating of copyrighted materials, even if not for profit, is illegal.

    I do not condone nor do I participate in the "backing up" of copyrighted materials.

    You are allowed one archival copy...you cant make more than one or sell/give/loan or that is illegal.

    Think about it, why do they make dvd burners if we can have an archive copy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrench_meister
    What are you guys doing to your DVDs that necessitates making a back up copy?

    Playing drunken frisbee?

    A friend of mine told me he duplicates his dvds in the event that the originals are stolen. I then asked him where he kept the copies: in a safe deposit box? buried in a trunk in the backyard?

    His reply: "I keep them on a shelf next to the originals."

    So, why do you guys make "back up" copies of your DVDs and where do you store them?
    Jeez, lighten up, Agent Smith. I backup ALL my CDs in case I bring them to work. CDs you listen to at work have ways of getting scratched and growing legs. With all the expensive-@ss blank CDs I buy, I'm sure the industry is not going to collapse for lack of funds. (Oh, and I really don't give a **** if it's illegal or not.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seanholio
    There is nothing wrong with making a copy for personal use, as in a back up copy.
    In the case of DVDs, it is illegal to make a back up copy.

    Using a DVD ripper violates Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which forbids the circumvention of technological measures that control access to copyrighted works. The 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals has interpreted Section 1201 rather broadly, ruling that it prohibits the creation of backup copies of any encrypted media.
    The rules that apply to CDs do not apply to DVDs, and vice versa, unless the CD has encryption technology involved. So it's legal to make a "back up" of a CD, but not of a DVD.

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvish Legion
    You are allowed one archival copy...you cant make more than one or sell/give/loan or that is illegal.

    Think about it, why do they make dvd burners if we can have an archive copy?
    They make DVD burners so that you can create your own DVDs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wrench_meister

    So, why do you guys make "back up" copies of your DVDs and where do you store them?
    i use the copies. that way, when something happens to it, i can make a new one and not have to shell out another $10-$20. blank dvds are cheap
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger
    I suppose you are backing up Blockbuster as well?
    Not when dual layer blanks are 3 bucks a piece.
    I already own most of the dvds I want (legal copies).

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    Quote Originally Posted by operator
    Not when dual layer blanks are 3 bucks a piece.
    I already own most of the dvds I want (legal copies).

    Why do you need dual layer discs? Heard of DVD shrink?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranger
    Why do you need dual layer discs?
    To preserve all of the bit quality of the original. DVD Shrink works great, but doesn't it shave off some of the bit data?
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    I have kids.

    CD's and DVD's have a way of not finding their way back into cases and then inevitably get ruined.

    I copy ALL CD's to a hard drive as soon as possible and give my kids copies to play in their players.

    DVD's I would like to make copies of for the same reason but haven't yet got around to investing the time to figuring out the bits and pieces I need to make it happen on a MAC.

    As to whether or not it is illegal - I couldn't give a crap. I paid for the DVD or the CD - if I want to make copies for use in my own home I will.

    This business of DRM has got carried away. If I buy Lilo & Stitch for the kids and it gets ruined, I am NOT paying Disney to buy the same damn thing again, I will make a copy of my property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunninho
    To preserve all of the bit quality of the original. DVD Shrink works great, but doesn't it shave off some of the bit data?
    The compression does decrease the quality somewhat, but you'd never be able to tell as the originals tend to have so much quality dialed in, that you won't be able to tell the difference even at 1/3rd the data-rate. Also the shrinking process lets you remove extras you don't need like foreign-language soundtracks and subtitles. A lot of DVDs also include two complete versions of the video, widescreen and normal. So eliminating one will let you backup onto single-layer without recompressing anything at all.

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