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Old 10-20-05, 07:52 AM   #1
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Thinking of buying a camaro.

I love the way late 80's-early 90's camaros look and I'm thinking of getting one as a weekend fun car. I don't know much about cars, so hopefully some of you guys can give me some advice. I know the 350's are fast, I drove one once, but the 305's are typically much cheaper. A friend of mine says 305's really suck, and that it would be every bit as good of an idea to get a 6 cylinder, which I just might do if thats true. Does anybody have any experience with how good/fast 305 camaro's are?
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The 305 engine sucks big time. The tree fiddy motor can be nicely modded. Tho' for the life of Brian I can't understand why you'd want a D body <yech>

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305's are notouriously weak engines. I would recomend looking for a 1985 or newer with the TPI induction. The TPI 305's actualy ran pretty good and the 350 TPI's ran even better. Unless you have to have a Camaro.....don't ignore the 1987-1993 Mustangs. I love my 90 convertable 5.0 litre. The mustangs provide more bang for the buck then the camaro's and accept mods much easier.
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it wouldnt be very fun if it didnt have the 350 imo.
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Is anyone going to argue that the camaro is overall a bad idea?
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Is anyone going to argue that the camaro is overall a bad idea?
Nope.....If he has an 1980's itch to scratch....WHY NOT? T-Tops off and a little Poison cranking on the stereo. As I said before, I prefer the earlier Mustangs to the Camaros but thats just a personal preferance.
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Most people that I know that own a Camaro are happy with it. I personally dont get it but i'm hot a car junkie. I find that Mustangs are pretty muych a cliche. Everyone and their cousin and their half cousin and their neigbor, has one.
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I find that Mustangs are pretty muych a cliche. Everyone and their cousin and their half cousin and their neigbor, has one.
Not sure what you mean by a cliche..(definition is as follows...."A trite or overused expression or idea")
Anywho......there is a reason why so many people have mustangs......see my above comment. Lots of bang for the buck and relativly easy and cheap to make
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Most people that I know that own a Camaro are happy with it. I personally dont get it but i'm hot a car junkie. I find that Mustangs are pretty muych a cliche. Everyone and their cousin and their half cousin and their neigbor, has one.
Yes, and no. A friend of mine leased a new Mustang this year, though personally I think 36 is a little early for a midlife crisis. Anyhow, thats a pretty 'see them all the time' kind of car. On the other hand, Sunday morning a car-carrier was parked next to my house loading up a shelby cobra. THAT ain't a car that everyone and their cousin has had.

edit: should say a shelby mustang; I'm not talking about a real shelby cobra.
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Yes, and no. A friend of mine leased a new Mustang this year, though personally I think 36 is a little early for a midlife crisis. Anyhow, thats a pretty 'see them all the time' kind of car. On the other hand, Sunday morning a car-carrier was parked next to my house loading up a shelby cobra. THAT ain't a car that everyone and their cousin has had.

edit: should say a shelby mustang; I'm not talking about a real shelby cobra.
Yes, I've seen a cobra and they do look a bit spiffier. The most noticeable thing about the last cobra I saw was the fact they used a different shade of reddish orange and not the usual plum/carmen that most red mustangs here have.

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Not sure what you mean by a cliche..(definition is as follows...."A trite or overused expression or idea")
Anywho......there is a reason why so many people have mustangs......see my above comment. Lots of bang for the buck and relativly easy and cheap to make
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"A trite or overused expression or idea")
Everybody here has them. They say that Toyota is the #1 faceplate in San Antonio - although I swear for every toyota you see you see a god damn mustang.

I don't think it would be half bad if there was a bit more difference in style in the bodies and if people actually chose those styles. I see alot of Cavaliers and Camrys and Corollas but for the most part there is alot of different in style - something that is just so difficult to see in the mustang.
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see alot of Cavaliers and Camrys and Corollas but for the most part there is alot of different in style - something that is just so difficult to see in the mustang.

I agree to a point that the mustangs can be a little bland and boring.....Hell....they used the same platform (fox) for over 14 years. I find them very eye appealing personaly. Most people buy these cars for the performance.......not for the look. The Camaro that the OP was asking about is a bit sexier looking....a bit more dramatic maybe.
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Old 10-20-05, 01:09 PM   #15
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No point in buying a Camaro if it's a 6 cylinder. Get the 350, mod the intake and exhaust, slap in a MSD and update the suspension. Then go looking for import tuners to stomp on.

www.camaros.net
www.z28.com

And don't get sucked into the Ford vs. Chevy debate.
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You can't hunt tuners with a car that looks like a hot rod, you have to be subtle. Like my turbo'd Plymouth Voyager Minivan. Either an F-body Camaro or Fox body Mustang would be a good late eighties hotrod. They both have lots of aftermarket. The parts for the Camaro would probably be cheaper, while the Mustang would be cheaper to buy.

Personally I would look at the Dodge Daytona with the type 2 turbo motor and a five speed.
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No point in buying a Camaro if it's a 6 cylinder. Get the 350, mod the intake and exhaust, slap in a MSD and update the suspension. Then go looking for import tuners to stomp on.

www.camaros.net
www.z28.com

And don't get sucked into the Ford vs. Chevy debate.

Don't forget the strut tower braces, the Hypertech progammer, the cooler thermostat, and to stop all of that massive power, Baer brakes (slotted and drilled). Get at least 20" rims, some low profile tires......

And when you go pick on the imports, just remember "Fast and Furious". They get "furious" because you're "fast".
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If you want a huge stereo, or a nice sportscar that can hold groceries without spilling them everywhere, camaros are nice, due to the deep "pit" in the back of the hatch.

If you get a camaro, get a 350 equipped one. Also if you can afford it and trust the skills of the peron who did it, find a car that was originally a 4-cyl camaro which underwnt a v-8 swap, but still has the stock differential...the gearing on that diff made it a dragstrip monster.

Just be wary of Z-28s as far as engine types...there were some v-6 Z-28s made....my aunt had one of them...I never understood why those exist....

IROCs IMO are overpriced, RS models were pretty good bang of the buck overall.

I'm more of a mustang fan for that generation though...the 5.0l mustang LX pretty much tore the daylights out of the camaro in dragstrips during the 80s...the GT was tearing them up on tracks. Once the newer bodytype camaro came out, and had the LT-1 engine option, as well as the better suspension, it was actually faster than the mustang once again.
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Oh, and if you want a sleeper....either option is great:

1) early 80s RWD buick regal limited (get the vinyl top), drop a 4.1L v-6 stage III crate in there, and slap a 30PSI intercooled turbo on it. Should be good for pretty much dry anal molestation of any stock vehicle on drag short of an exotic.

2) 94-96 Chevy Impala SS: make the engine a twin-turbo intercooled, and strip all the Impala trim of fit of....make it look like a plain old "caprice classic" (the impalas of those years WERE heavily upgraded caprice classics).

3) Eagle Vision Tsi: all wheel drive, and a nice V-6 that can be upped to around 280hp fairly easily, and aggressive enough gearing to really make it scream....also the body on it is super light, being mostly plastic (literally...plastic...as in Mattel)

4) Geo metro: No joke, the thing is actually a Suzuki Swift....get the engine from a Swift GTi, and dro pit in with the transmission and suspension...then start upgrading that engine...it won't be very hot on drag, but it will rock hard on autocross.
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Rev. Chuck might be right. I saw a Dodge Omni LH or LHS, whichever one had the turbo, beat a monsterized Mustang 305 (that's what it said on the hood scoop) at the drag races in Starrett City. The Omni guy even dropped his family off at the starting line before the start of the race. Only way to make a Camaro look stealth is to make it look like the crap V6 model.
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For sheer cool, early 68-70 Trans-Am or Formula Firebird.

I had a '78 WS6 Trans-Am, true 6.6 ltr, close ratio 4 speed, posi rear, handling package, etc, etc.
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I had a '78 WS6 Trans-Am, true 6.6 ltr, close ratio 4 speed, posi rear, handling package, etc, etc.
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Stacey, are you following me? I had a '77 limited edition Smokey and the Bandit PONTIAC (not olds) blue 6.6 ltr. You wouldn't believe what happened to it. My boyfriend and I invested a lot of money into the stereo and to have it semi-restored back to original. We broke up after 3 years and he said I owe him for the money he put into the car. He pulled out the receipts and it added up to more than original blue book value. The restoration was paid by both of us but the receipts were in his name because he ordered all the parts, etc. No proof that I had contributed any money. Since I didn't have the money to pay him back, he took me to court and got awarded the entire car.
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Stacey, are you following me? I had a '77 limited edition Smokey and the Bandit PONTIAC (not olds) blue 6.6 ltr. You wouldn't believe what happened to it. My boyfriend and I invested a lot of money into the stereo and to have it semi-restored back to original. We broke up after 3 years and he said I owe him for the money he put into the car. He pulled out the receipts and it added up to more than original blue book value. The restoration was paid by both of us but the receipts were in his name because he ordered all the parts, etc. No proof that I had contributed any money. Since I didn't have the money to pay him back, he took me to court and got awarded the entire car.

Yeah... you're pretty

Ouch, that sucks big time. Have Gun, Will Travel. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink

It's been years, but I found an older Formula in the bone yard that had a 160MPH Speedo in it. I put that in my '78 and freaked a bunch of people out. Had them believeing that I found a seceret option code that got me that speedo and other trick goodies that could take advantage of the longer scale. As it was the car was good for about 140. Ah, times were good and gas was cheap then
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Shoot, I don't care how much gas is, I'll always have my muscle car. (Even though I don't drive it anymore, it's just for show).

See Michigander, we'll get you all hooked up. We'll have your car so tweaked that you can fly.

We'll show you what it's all about. I'm even an honorary member of the Chevy Corvette Club. The only Trans Am allowed. They even let me lead on our last Baja Run. See? I run with the big boys. And you can too.


And Stacey? I think you're pretty, too. I like your muscles.
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How fast is a 305? Depends on the trim. The IROCs had plenty of gonads stock, if it was ordered in the right configuration. 86, 145 MPH without being redlined. Handled like it was stuck to the road. 'Course now my old man only has the 87 with the 305, less than 30k miles on it, but it's not stock any more. It rocks and rolls pretty sweet. Did some work on an 87 with a 350 and drove it a bit, a little more kick in the pants than the 305 stock but not a lot. It's only 10 HP...

Either way it's the same block, and there's nothing cheaper to make fast than a small block Chevy.
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