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Old 12-04-05, 10:37 PM   #1
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People who can't enjoy movies...

...because they are fictional- what is your deal?

What is the story with these people who are like, "that movie was so terrible, that would never happen in real life," don't they understand what a movie is?

Can't they like something or have a good time even if it's not realistic? What if it's not even SUPPOSED to be anything approaching reality? What's wrong with that?

If you are one of these people, please stop talking to anyone about anything. You are ridiculous.


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Wait wait wait wait wait... you mean Aliens didn't really blow up the White House but get defeated because a virus sent from a Macintosh broke through the ultra-sophisticated technology of their hovering crafts?

I call B.S.
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Old 12-05-05, 01:13 AM   #3
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Wait wait wait wait wait... you mean Aliens didn't really blow up the White House but get defeated because a virus sent from a Macintosh broke through the ultra-sophisticated technology of their hovering crafts?

I call B.S.
No that was all true.
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When the Mythbusters do it, it's fun. When it's the guy on the couch next to you, that's grounds for a ***** slap.
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I'm guilty of a form of this.

Jessica watches the CSI series, and occasionally they'll do something that's blatently BS, such as using security camera footage that's not very clear to begin with, then zooming in to something microscopic, like a receipt that someone is holding 30' away from the camera, and it's perfectly clear and you can read everything.

I can't help groaning at that.
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I watched mr and mrs smith and that movie was god awful.
Not because of the sci-fi but because it was god awful. The acting sucked and they pushed the odds way farther than even I can believe has any possiblity of happening. Like a minivan being sprayed with hundreds of rounds from assult rifles with no problems while 2 bmw's take like 3 hits in the side and they explode and flip over. Or the ending.. good lord...
I enjoyed true lies a lot more.
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This is a tricky one...
I generally don't like fiction that pretends to be realistic.
An example of that would be something like CSI. Incredibly unrealistic at times (and consequently, I don't watch CSI - but I do tend to give new shows a chance, so I know what it's like).

I do, however, like fiction that is open with the fact that it's fiction and doesn't pretend that it's real.
An example would be your average sitcom or sci-fi. Unrealistic, but overtly so!

To sum it up, if a movie or a series takes itself too seriously, I don't like it.
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I'm willing to suspend my disbelief when I go to the cinema—which is once a year, now that people are so appallingly rude and obnoxious in theatres—but the filmmaker has to meet me half-way. If the plot points are so horribly implausible and coincidences just too unlikely, I'm the guy asking for my money back out at the ticket counter. Exceptions are made for comic book movies and kids' movies.

Last movie I saw in the theatre: Sin City. I quite enjoyed that.
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I guess it's similar to the "Uncanny Valley" effect for me when it comes to unrealistic movies/plot points. If it's a little too real or they're trying too hard, I can't always suspend my disbelief and enjoy the movie. For example, I loved Hudson Hawk because it was so insanely over-the-top. My best friend hated it because it wasn't realistic enough for him.
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For example, I loved Hudson Hawk because it was so insanely over-the-top.
Me too! Then again, I'm a big fan of Willis's stuff.
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but the filmmaker has to meet me half-way. If the plot points are so horribly implausible and coincidences just too unlikely, I'm the guy asking for my money back out at the ticket counter.
I think this is the key. Good post.

By the way, how do you ask for your money back once you have consumed the product you purchased? When we buy a movie ticket I think we have to live with the risk that we won't like the movie. You can't return a meal once you've eaten it, what's keeping you from getting your money back for all the movies you see?

I would never have the nerve to do this, but I rarely see a movie that I can't find SOMETHING fun about, so it's a bad comparison. But it's not like the movie studios can't afford to refund a few tickets here & there.
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Old 12-05-05, 01:35 PM   #12
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I watched mr and mrs smith and that movie was god awful.
Not because of the sci-fi but because it was god awful. The acting sucked and they pushed the odds way farther than even I can believe has any possiblity of happening. Like a minivan being sprayed with hundreds of rounds from assult rifles with no problems while 2 bmw's take like 3 hits in the side and they explode and flip over. Or the ending.. good lord...
I enjoyed true lies a lot more.
I liked how they filmed the action sequences in MMS, they were fun and very cool. Yeah it's stupid that the bullets didn't behave right but, they do that to make it more exciting...it's just supposed to be fun. Also, I don't think most people know as much about assault rifles (I may be wrong about this).

The ending was cheese, but can't the ending just be cheese? Or does that essentially ruin the whole movie for you?

True Lies was good, but it was sort of comedic too, so they get away with some of the stuff that you'd normally be picking on, like "How the hell does the strap from his little shoulder bag not break when the terrorist is fired on the sidewinder missile?"

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...because they are fictional- what is your deal?

What is the story with these people who are like, "that movie was so terrible, that would never happen in real life," don't they understand what a movie is?

Can't they like something or have a good time even if it's not realistic? What if it's not even SUPPOSED to be anything approaching reality? What's wrong with that?

If you are one of these people, please stop talking to anyone about anything. You are ridiculous.


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There is the concept of 'reasonable suspension of doubt' which is another way of saying they have to do it right. For instance, I still like the lowbrow entertainment of James Bond films. However, at the end of golden eye, bond is stuck on an antenna hanging from wires over a big antenna (i.e. arecibo observatory in puerto rico). He is rescued by a HELICOPTER. If he is hanging on to the bottom of this antenna that is suspended from wires, how on earth does the helicopter fly close enough for him to grab the skid (as depicted) and fly off? It is horrid.

Likewise in one of the mission impossible movies, a helicopter is somehow tethered to a train, so the copter follows it into the Chunnel. Its bogus. Later in the same film, a motorcycle's tires change from knobby to street tires & back again as the chase scene moves to and from streets and grassy areas. Totally bogus.
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Old 12-05-05, 06:01 PM   #14
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When the Mythbusters do it, it's fun. When it's the guy on the couch next to you, that's grounds for a ***** slap.
I'm with you there.

I hate anything that states the obvious. Things like people saying "may or may not" or "Thats just your opinion" or, on a hot day, "Man it's HOT out"!

Things like this make me want to kill.
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I'm guilty of this. Only horribly inept writers rely on the audience's ability to suspend disbelief. Unless, of course, it's meant to be that way. For example: Mars Attacks was right-****ing-on. Nobody was ever meant to take that movie seriously and it only benefited from its stupidity. However, the recent War of the Worlds was a disgusing piece of big-budget-and-nothing-else TRASH. That movie had no redeeming qualities outside of it's overdone special effects. I can suspend my disbelief for a few minor details, but not for 116 god-forsaken minutes!

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This thread reminds me a bit of the old (?) saying, "You can't apply Star Trek logic to a Babylon 5 problem." The adage is a comment on the unreality and deus ex machine quality of the original Star Trek. One of the reasons I could never get into the original Star Trek is because every planet they would land on was populated by English speaking humanoids that invariably put out for Kirk.

Honestly, I don't see how people can watch movies that much in general. I guess I have some maturing to do. I have completely removed my music snobbery so that I can actually enjoy anything from prog rock, medieval mandolin, gansta rap, bluegrass, and acid trance. But I can hardly tolerate being in the same room as most movies, especially modern movies. It hurts to even watch them. Compare the cinematography an old film noir flick, or Eastwood western to a modern action bore.
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When the Mythbusters do it, it's fun. When it's the guy on the couch next to you, that's grounds for a ***** slap.
Myth busters sucks have to be some of the most annoying guys. And on the world's most ridiculous topics
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I'm guilty of a form of this.

Jessica watches the CSI series, and occasionally they'll do something that's blatently BS, such as using security camera footage that's not very clear to begin with, then zooming in to something microscopic, like a receipt that someone is holding 30' away from the camera, and it's perfectly clear and you can read everything.

I can't help groaning at that.
When people attempt to apply real life to movies and fail to do so then they fail. CSI is a clear example of idiots attempting this. I'd rather sit through Wil Smith and aliens then idiot directors concoting a billion and one "could happen ideas into how a perfect murder was solved.
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Have you ever hung yourself from a chrome or timbuk2 shoulder strap? You can hold the sidewinder back with one of those.

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True Lies was good, but it was sort of comedic too, so they get away with some of the stuff that you'd normally be picking on, like "How the hell does the strap from his little shoulder bag not break when the terrorist is fired on the sidewinder missile?"

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i think that happens because a lot of people don't read and don't know what 'fiction' means. It means MADE UP!
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Yes, but when it pretends to be real - that's when I can't take it anymore.
Fictional is fine, but either make it possible in real life, but still fictional, or make it fictional and silly enough not to pretend to be realistic.
That's all I ask.
Which means they need better script writers to avoid having to resort to nonsense, like in CSI.
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Kinda of off the subject, but one of my friends and I were discussing the merits of movies vs. books. With a movie, you are relying on someone elses imagination to entertain visually. With a book, you have to rely on your own imagination to create the visual, so everyones interpretation is different. It made me really want to read more.

Back on subject, aside from stating the obvious it also drives me nuts that someone would see something like the Lord of the Rings and think it could actually happen, then have the gall to be pissed when they realize it couldn't.
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Yes, but when it pretends to be real - that's when I can't take it anymore.
Fictional is fine, but either make it possible in real life, but still fictional, or make it fictional and silly enough not to pretend to be realistic.
That's all I ask.
Which means they need better script writers to avoid having to resort to nonsense, like in CSI.
That's all fine and dandy, just don't sit next to me and pick apart the movie scene by scene. Keep it to yourself or talk about it AFTER and we'll be good. Not talking to you specifically, but to everyone that thinks like that.
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