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Old 12-07-05, 04:21 AM   #1
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I'd complain about all the other weird stuff with this OS that's kooky, but that would just be whining.

Please, somebody, tell me I'm doing something stupidly wrong, because otherwise those clowns have missed something really obvious and pretty damned important.

It's not possible to backup my data using Burn Folders without spending hours pissing about. If I have more than one disc's worth of data, it gives me this stupid crap about the file data being too big. Mac loves to prattle on about how spanking bloody wonderful they are, but they won't just give you a computer that lets you backup data without a whole load of palava.

As far as I can tell, the only obvious way to do it is to go for their glorious iDisk crap and then I get this Backup thing that'll automatically do multiple discs. Which is pretty stupid IMO. Kind of like giving you Quicktime and then making you upgrade to Pro.

Does anybody have any ideas on this? I've decided to leave it for now, but hopefully someone will have an answer by this evening or it'll be donkey work for me...
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Old 12-07-05, 06:16 AM   #2
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Dantz Retrospect is a easy drag & drop backup solution that spans multiple DVDs.

Toast 7 works well.

Impression is another package.

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Old 12-07-05, 06:40 AM   #3
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I'd complain about all the other weird stuff with this OS that's kooky, but that would just be whining.

Please, somebody, tell me I'm doing something stupidly wrong, because otherwise those clowns have missed something really obvious and pretty damned important.

It's not possible to backup my data using Burn Folders without spending hours pissing about. If I have more than one disc's worth of data, it gives me this stupid crap about the file data being too big. Mac loves to prattle on about how spanking bloody wonderful they are, but they won't just give you a computer that lets you backup data without a whole load of palava.

As far as I can tell, the only obvious way to do it is to go for their glorious iDisk crap and then I get this Backup thing that'll automatically do multiple discs. Which is pretty stupid IMO. Kind of like giving you Quicktime and then making you upgrade to Pro.

Does anybody have any ideas on this? I've decided to leave it for now, but hopefully someone will have an answer by this evening or it'll be donkey work for me...


Ummmm.... Buy a PC?




I'm sorry but with all of the buy a Mac statements that get flown about when someone has a PC problem. Well I just couldn't resist. Carry on, please carry on.
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I was wondering when the first "buy a PC" response would come in - I knew someone wouldn't be able to resist

I have recently converted after living with Windows all my life. As much as I complain about Mac, I'll have no intentions of going back there.

Thanks Danno. I'll check those out. I was kind of hoping I might be missing something here, and that this trivial but infuriating problem could be solved without another application. But if nothing else is forthcoming I'll check them out.

If I ever lose so much perspective that I consider switching back to Windows, someone please shoot me.

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For some background, the Apple approach has always been to minimize its involvement in bundling utilities with the OS, in favor of promoting 3rd party development. That's the party line anyway. With OS X they started including various stuff, but as you've experienced, sometimes with limited functionality.
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http://www.speedtools.com/STUS.shtml commercial product

http://freeridecoding.net/en/02SYNCUPX shareware

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Be careful of the command-line based backup-programs that create a pipe between source and destination. They have about as much functionality as a "TAR -cvf /users /dev/rsd1" command. These are the simplistic cloning and imaging programs that will let you back up a complete hard-drive to another hard-drive. They can also create tar/dmg disk-images. But they do it all in one shot and the destination must have at least as much free capacity as the source. Some of them don't even write directly to DVD, but can only make tar/dmg images.

They also can't automatically span multiple DVDs. Once you run out of space on the output device, the backup will bomb and you'll have wasted a DVD. In order to make backup sets onto multiple DVDs, you'll have to make segmented images of 4gb each. So if you have 100gb to back up, you'll need 100gb of free space to create 25 separate image-files first (backup.dmg.1, backup.dmg.2, etc.). Then you'll have to burn those individual image-files to DVD with Toast or OS-X's DiskTools; a very clumsy process...

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I've worked with CCC with a bootable image on a firewire drive, but have tired of playing around with stuff. Most file backup goes to the firewire drive. Certain items go to CDR, DVD-R. Have a primary hdd for daily use, and a 2nd hdd with a fresh system ready to transition when needed. The new system can be prepped gradually to ease the switch.
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Please, somebody, tell me I'm doing something stupidly wrong, because otherwise those clowns have missed something really obvious and pretty damned important.

It's not possible to backup my data using Burn Folders without spending hours pissing about. If I have more than one disc's worth of data, it gives me this stupid crap about the file data being too big..
It works; I've done it.
If you're using Tiger (MacOS X--10.4, preferably 10.4.3), you can create a burn folder from within the Finder, move what you want in there (it basically creates aliases, or "shortcuts"). You can calculate how much space is required, or wait until you're ready to burn.

When you click the burn button, you will be advised that it requires multiple discs; you just need to have that many available and insert them as discs finish and are ejected.

It's really easy. No additional software required, as the utility is built into system capabilities.

Select from the Finder your "Mac Help" menu, type in "burn disc" in the question area, and peruse the topics. You'll probably also find links to step-by-step documents on the Apple support web site.
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It works; I've done it.
If you're using Tiger (MacOS X--10.4, preferably 10.4.3), you can create a burn folder from within the Finder, move what you want in there (it basically creates aliases, or "shortcuts"). You can calculate how much space is required, or wait until you're ready to burn.

When you click the burn button, you will be advised that it requires multiple discs; you just need to have that many available and insert them as discs finish and are ejected.

It's really easy. No additional software required, as the utility is built into system capabilities.

Select from the Finder your "Mac Help" menu, type in "burn disc" in the question area, and peruse the topics. You'll probably also find links to step-by-step documents on the Apple support web site.
Nope. That's exactly what I was expecting. It's exactly what they say it'll do. They lie. They lie like dogs.

It doesn't do that. I have OS 10.4.3 latest updates.

It just says, "insert a disc. you need x gb."
I stick the disc in.
It says "backup" is too large to fit on disc. remove some files and try again."
I bang my head on the wall.

Fools! I'll destroy them all!
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Yeah, it's a trick that makes you buy a .Mac account in order to use Backup with the multiple-DVD spanning feature. Backup also has a faulty verification routine where it doesn't really compare the burned DVD set to the files on the hard-drive. It'll report the backup finished successfully, but when you go to restore files from the backup-set, nothing's there. So if you use it, make sure you test a complete restore to a test -folder before deleting any files from your HD you thought may have been archived.

Just get Dantz Retrospect, it was the original drag-and-drop DeskTape application from over 15-years ago. I've got DDS-3 tapes from 10-years ago with System-7 that I can still restore with OS-X. It can do full-backups to any media, across networks, to SANs, etc. Also daily incrementals automatically. I use it to backup a mixed networks of Macs, PC, SUNs and HPs regularly. On-the-fly compression also lets you pack 8-15gb of data onto a DVD.
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