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Old 01-03-06, 10:27 AM   #26
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Isn't the idea to reproduce the original waveforms as accurately as possible? With digital technology, shouldn't the data on the disc be as best as can be mastered? If the data's not on the disc, you're not gonna hear it right?
It's more about how it's presented.
Like on a bike, if the idea is to get the power down on the road as efficient as possible, then the ride would suck and you'd hate riding it. But if the ride is relatively efficient, light, but plush, then you'll enjoy it more. Kinda like having a very stiff aluminium bike vs. a steel one, its up to personal preference. Audiowise, my system has a very very dark laid back sound signature that isn't fatiguing to listen to 3-4 hours at a time whereas I can change my audio tubes to get a livelier sound that would leave my ears ringing after an hour.
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Old 01-03-06, 10:39 AM   #27
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Headphones.... this dude has collected what I've estimated to be about 100 grand worth of headphone equipment...The amount of weed that could buy you... amazing..

WOW...That's about 15.15 DA Ghisalos....
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In mexico, that would buy you like 666 kilos.
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Those days are over for me. ...............wow man....did you see that...........!?
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looks like an Orpheus on the left 2nd shelf down?
best headphone setup I've ever heard.
I'm partial to Stax ever since I first heard a pair
in 1977 absolutely blew me away.

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Ain't that the truth....10's of thousands in audio gear, topped off with what looks like a $15 print from Wal-Mart.
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yeah it's somewhere in this mess..


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looks like an Orpheus on the left 2nd shelf down?
best headphone setup I've ever heard.
I'm partial to Stax ever since I first heard a pair
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Old 01-03-06, 01:33 PM   #33
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Isn't the idea to reproduce the original waveforms as accurately as possible? With digital technology, shouldn't the data on the disc be as best as can be mastered? If the data's not on the disc, you're not gonna hear it right?

Then it's about the player extracting the info and reproducing the analog waveform. It appears we're really limited by the CD specifications of 44khz. This would mean that highest frequences that the human ear can pick up, around 20khz would be represented by square-waves! This would also mess up the harmonics of a 10khz note as well.

So it would appear we have a conflict of interest. We can convert the data into analog waveforms as closely as possible and end up with shrill high-end. Or we can do some signal-massaging and smoothing/interpolation to get a more enjoyable sound, albeit less accurate. Could this be where the high-end players differentiate themselves? Perhaps they have an interpolation algorithm that's more complex and yields more natural sounding output compared to teh low-end players?
It is, but there are still various problems that happen with digital signals like dropped/malformed data packets and the like. There are also some people that live and die by analog, so even their CD players have to be as analog as possible. Also note that most DACs on comsumer level equipment is horrible. On a CD palyer with digital and analog outs, on a good system, often the analog whoops up on the digital badly. Part of the reason outboard DACs exist.

I've heard top-end vinyl setups before...CDs can't even hold a candle to them. Downside is dropping close to $30,000 on a phonograph alone.

Then you have amps...every amp has distortion, and many amps lack the damping factor needed to drive demanding speakers like electrostatics and many horn units. You can tell when someone had an amp with crap damping factor when they say they had to get a unit with more power to deal with for example, Magnepans....or Klipschorns.

As for amp distortion...it's pretty good now....biggest problem is the lack of reference level DACs onboard the preamps....people are still using outboards DACS like the Benchmark. That unit is on my "to buy" list right now, since I am a headphone nut when on my computer. Buy one unit almost all time, and then spend time hunting for the perfect headphone
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