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Old 01-07-06, 07:05 PM   #1
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Another cyclist told to get off the road

From Portland Craigslist:

I Had a Mail carrier in one of his chariots tell me I coulden't
Ride in the street and slow him down yesterday.
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Old 01-07-06, 07:07 PM   #2
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I Had a Mail carrier in one of his chariots tell me I coulden't
Ride in the street and slow him down yesterday.
So? I had a dream last night. Neither event means poo to anybody else.
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What a dork, hope you educated him on how wrong he was.
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Old 01-07-06, 07:14 PM   #4
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So? I had a dream last night. Neither event means poo to anybody else.
Tell me about your dream.
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Old 01-07-06, 07:15 PM   #5
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What a dork, hope you educated him on how wrong he was.
Wasn't me, I just found the posting while looking for bikes.
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I would have smiled, nodded and waved goodbye as I rode off. They don't call it going "postal" for nothing.
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Old 01-07-06, 07:22 PM   #7
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Tell me about your dream.
I had a dream that I read a secondhand report from an anonymous crybaby about some sort of event with absolutely no context to make me think the event was anything other than a trivial annoyance. The kind of daily event that most people are able to handle without whining as if they were a dang victim of monstrous/dangerous behavior.

See, I said my dream wouldn't mean poo. That's why it was hardly worth reporting (but you asked). My dream would have even less significance if reported second hand by someone else.

Conclusions/Recommendation to be drawn from such victim report snippets with zero context? None.
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Hey everyone, ILTB had a dream last night. He read a secondhand report from someone who got biatch-slapped by a driver and posted it on Craigslist. I knew that this third-hand, second-hand report just couldn't wait. Now back to our regular programming.
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I had a dream that I read a secondhand report from an anonymous crybaby about some sort of event with absolutely no context to make me think the event was anything other than a trivial annoyance. The kind of daily event that most people are able to handle without whining as if they were a dang victim of monstrous/dangerous behavior.

See, I said my dream wouldn't mean poo. That's why it was hardly worth reporting (but you asked). My dream would have even less significance if reported second hand by someone else.

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WOW! this thread is pure de-ja-vu for you then!!
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...I had a dream that HH was cycling the wrong way down a one way street alternating between the bike lane and the sidewalk, then ILTB came along, gave him a steely eyed stare to negotiate the ROW, then proceeded to lecture him ad-nauseum about the merits of VC... what a nightmare!
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WOW! this thread is pure de-ja-vu for you then!!
I'll say! Reminded me also of the post on this Forum or on the Commuting Forum from some cycling crybaby whining because a pedestrian exiting a tavern gave him a dirty look. What's next on the victim watch, a black cat crossed some terrified cyclist's path?
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...I had a dream that HH was cycling the wrong way down a one way street alternating between the bike lane and the sidewalk, then ILTB came along, gave him a steely eyed stare to negotiate the ROW, then proceeded to lecture him ad-nauseum about the merits of VC... what a nightmare!
Nope that wasn't the resolution to the nightmare; I strung up the SOB by the albatross around his neck.
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I'll say! Reminded me also of the post on this Forum or on the Commuting Forum from some cycling crybaby whining because a pedestrian exiting a tavern gave him a dirty look. What's next on the victim watch, a black cat crossed some terrified cyclist's path?

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Old 01-07-06, 10:17 PM   #15
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A street hooker tried to *ahem* peddle her wares to me. Does it count that she was wearing black, and got catty when I told her to scram?
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I had a dream that I read a secondhand report from an anonymous crybaby about some sort of event with absolutely no context to make me think the event was anything other than a trivial annoyance. The kind of daily event that most people are able to handle without whining as if they were a dang victim of monstrous/dangerous behavior.

See, I said my dream wouldn't mean poo. That's why it was hardly worth reporting (but you asked). My dream would have even less significance if reported second hand by someone else.

Conclusions/Recommendation to be drawn from such victim report snippets with zero context? None.
Too bad you didn't have a dream about a federal employee, on the job, telling a cyclist to get off the road. Then your comments might have some relevance to this thread. As it is, you're right: they mean poo.
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Perhaps the mail carrier's complaint has partial merit. Was the cyclist deliberately slowing him down? If he was, then he was in the wrong. However it's more plausible the mail carrier was on a little micro-power trip.
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Of course he should have been out of the way of the driver. It's Portland, where bikes belong in bike lanes, not where "real" vehicles go.
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Perhaps the mail carrier's complaint has partial merit. Was the cyclist deliberately slowing him down? If he was, then he was in the wrong. However it's more plausible the mail carrier was on a little micro-power trip.
You're absolutely right. That's the missing context. But the cyclist thought it was ironic that a slow-moving vehicle that makes frequent stops was complaining about being slowed down. I thought it was interesting in a larger context: state vehicles buzing cyclists in Utah, CHP vehicles forcing cyclists off the road in California. and now, a federal employee telling a cyclist to get off the road. Something about Government employees harassing cyclists makes the harassment a little more menacing in my opinion. But you're right, there could always be more to this story than we are hearing.
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You're absolutely right. That's the missing context. But the cyclist thought it was ironic that a slow-moving vehicle that makes frequent stops was complaining about being slowed down. I thought it was interesting in a larger context: state vehicles buzing cyclists in Utah, CHP vehicles forcing cyclists off the road in California. and now, a federal employee telling a cyclist to get off the road. Something about Government employees harassing cyclists makes the harassment a little more menacing in my opinion. But you're right, there could always be more to this story than we are hearing.
You're right... the bigger picture is that motorists do not understand that cyclists have equal rights to the road and are allowed to be there. Every time I hear one of these stories, it just further reinforces the FACT that most motorists do not know: "Same Roads, Same Rights, Same Rules."

The issue regarding the CHP is especially important as this means that those tasked with enforcing those laws do not even know them.

I know personally when I have had "encounters" with motorists and have had the opportunity to talk to them, clearly they do not believe that cyclists belong on the road, and do not know the traffic laws regarding cyclists.

For these reasons, I think one of the best things cycling advocacy can do is to TELL the MOTORING PUBLIC what those traffic laws are.
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You're right... the bigger picture is that motorists do not understand that cyclists have equal rights to the road and are allowed to be there. Every time I hear one of these stories, it just further reinforces the FACT that most motorists do not know: "Same Roads, Same Rights, Same Rules."

The issue regarding the CHP is especially important as this means that those tasked with enforcing those laws do not even know them.

I know personally when I have had "encounters" with motorists and have had the opportunity to talk to them, clearly they do not believe that cyclists belong on the road, and do not know the traffic laws regarding cyclists.

For these reasons, I think one of the best things cycling advocacy can do is to TELL the MOTORING PUBLIC what those traffic laws are.
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Amen, brother!
Telling them is one thing. Getting them to actually listen, now there's a mission!
The VC cyclists like to expect other cyclists to stick to traffic rules like crazy glue. Okay, try preaching VC to Joe Schmo blue-collar motering moron, let's see if he can get the message and stick to the rules - instead of *****ing and moaning about his 'rights' to act like an idiot behind the wheel.

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Actually, I believe that postal vehicles legally have the right of way over ALL other vehicles, including police, fire and ambulance. Of course most don't get so pissy about it.
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You're absolutely right. That's the missing context. But the cyclist thought it was ironic that a slow-moving vehicle that makes frequent stops was complaining about being slowed down. I thought it was interesting in a larger context: state vehicles buzing cyclists in Utah, CHP vehicles forcing cyclists off the road in California. and now, a federal employee telling a cyclist to get off the road. Something about Government employees harassing cyclists makes the harassment a little more menacing in my opinion. But you're right, there could always be more to this story than we are hearing.
See, that's the thing -- I've been slowed down/stopped by many, many mail carriers (and other slow-moving, frequently-stopping vehicles), especially when I was commuting in Chapel Hill/Carrboro, a Land of Many Bike Lanes where the the bike lane was usually also the de facto loading zone. Did I complain? Not once.

True, if the cyclist was slowing the guy down intentionally, that would be a different story, but how likely is that? Outside of CM, I can't recall ever seeing a cyclist slow anyone down intentionally.

As usual, it probably would have been good for the cylist to have reported the guy.

[edit]No it wouldn't have. This was a trivial issue and didn't merit reporting. [/edit]

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Actually, I believe that postal vehicles legally have the right of way over ALL other vehicles, including police, fire and ambulance. Of course most don't get so pissy about it.
Wow. For a minute there, I worried this might be true, but then I looked it up:

http://www.snopes.com/autos/law/fourway.asp

Of course, maybe the postman in question thought it was true?
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