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    Ok, so I was wondering about the DVD recorders because I was about to buy one. Before I do, I'm just wondering how you can record a DVD onto a black DVD. So for instance, if I want to record my Ab Fab episodes I have onto another blank DVD, do I have to get another DVD player and hook it to the DVD recorder? Or is there another easier way to do it?

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    there are some dvd recorders that have built in hard drives, so they can store all the data from one dvd, then burn to another. im not sure how the lower end ones work though

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    Quote Originally Posted by koffee brown
    Ok, so I was wondering about the DVD recorders because I was about to buy one. Before I do, I'm just wondering how you can record a DVD onto a black DVD. So for instance, if I want to record my Ab Fab episodes I have onto another blank DVD, do I have to get another DVD player and hook it to the DVD recorder? Or is there another easier way to do it?

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    You don't need to use only black dvd's, white ones work too.
    Anyway... is this a computer DVD recorder or a home unit that you hook up to the TV?

    The computer ones work like standard cd recorders, it copies the dvd to the hard drive then you put a blank one in.
    The console units, cheaper ones are record only, they dont have a drive inside to store information. More expensive ones have a hard drive inside. So usually you'll have to hook another player up to it but you can only copy non-copyprotected information, otherwise it looks like you're watching scrambled porno.

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    Hmmmmm... got it. So recording DVD just isn't that easy huh?

    The one I was looking at was for my television. What's the point of having a DVD recorder if you can't record movies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by koffee brown
    Ok, so I was wondering about the DVD recorders because I was about to buy one. Before I do, I'm just wondering how you can record a DVD onto a black DVD. So for instance, if I want to record my Ab Fab episodes I have onto another blank DVD, do I have to get another DVD player and hook it to the DVD recorder? Or is there another easier way to do it?

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    hey Koffee-long time listener first time caller--

    Do you have a dvd burner in your computer?
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    Nope. No dvd burner in the computer. Would it be easier to record dvds if I did it on a computer?

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    I dunno but the MPAA frowns upon trying to copy DVD rentals from blockbuster or copying your friend's store bought DVD's.
    A lot of people use dvd recorders to put home movies onto dvd or transfer old video tapes onto dvd.


    Quote Originally Posted by koffee brown
    Hmmmmm... got it. So recording DVD just isn't that easy huh?

    The one I was looking at was for my television. What's the point of having a DVD recorder if you can't record movies?

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    Ok, got it. I'll just use it for my tivo stuff and not worry about copying the dvd's. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by koffee brown
    Hmmmmm... got it. So recording DVD just isn't that easy huh?

    The one I was looking at was for my television. What's the point of having a DVD recorder if you can't record movies?
    Yeah, most console-type DVD recorders can record from VCR tapes, or TV-broadcasts, just not from DVD straight to DVD. They've got programming that prevents that kind of stuff.

    However, with a PC, you can rip the DVD to the hard-drive, edit, delete extras like foreign soundtracks, change menus, etc. Then burn back to a blank. I usually squeeze 3-4 movies onto 1 DVD and make a custom menu.

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    So I'm better off getting a DVD burner for my computer then? I really would like to expand my movie library.

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    And cheaper too. You can get a DVD-writer for about $50. Install it on the same cable as your existing CD-ROM (DVD as master, CD as slave, leave HD on its own cable). Here's a good guide to DVD writing procedures: VideoHelp.com - Guide, How To, Tutorials.

    Some procedures on how to squeeze multiple movies onto one DVD. I usually put 4 per side or 8 total on a double-sided DVD:

    How to make a mixed DVD
    How to add multiple movies / titles to one DVD using DVD Shrink
    How to add multiple movies / titles to one DVD using Nero Recode 2
    How to add multiple movies / titles to one DVD using DVD2One

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    In addition to what DannoXYZ said, you might also want to investigate external DVD Recorders that have Firewire/IEEE 1394 and/or USB interfaces. This can make for a little easier installation at the cost of well... cost. They will run you somewhere around $120 - $150. Another thing is I remember you saying you had a laptop. If that's the case and you want the burner to work in the laptop then you might be able to replace the current optical drive with a DVD Recorder unit made for that laptop but you'd need to check with the laptop manufacturer for the correct part number.
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    Not that I'm advocating it.... but...

    Look for a program called DVDShrink. It'll take that blockbuster DVD rental and compress it down so that it'll fit on a blank DVD on your computer, save it as a DVD image file, then use whatever DVD burning software that comes with your computer's DVD recorder to write a copy of the DVD that you can view on tv...

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    Quote Originally Posted by slvoid
    Not that I'm advocating it.... but...

    Look for a program called DVDShrink. It'll take that blockbuster DVD rental and compress it down so that it'll fit on a blank DVD on your computer, save it as a DVD image file, then use whatever DVD burning software that comes with your computer's DVD recorder to write a copy of the DVD that you can view on tv...

    LalalalalalalalaI'm not listeninglalalalalalalala...

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    If you don't hear it it's not illegal... if you don't hear it it's not illegal......lalalalala...

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    I'm hysterically blind and I didn't see anything written, but if I did, I'd say thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by koffee brown
    So I'm better off getting a DVD burner for my computer then? I really would like to expand my movie library.

    Koffee

    Yes--what Danno, Khoun and Slvoid said. Just don't set up shop next to the one of those "follow this card, tell me where it is, and you win" guys, and you should be alright. Are they still doing that btw?

    If you get one make sure to check the "system requirements" of the burner to be sure your computer will drive it. Specifically check compatibility of your processor and amount of RAM you have with those of the burner.

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    I don't think DVD shrink alone will work. You will also need a dercryptor program to remove piracy protection to "back up" your DVD's. It is illegal to make copies of DVD's you don't own. THere is a free program called DVD decryptor that might still be available although somebody bought the rights to it so not sure anymore.


    DVD shrink will take your 7g movie from the dual layer disc and shrink it down to 4.3 to fit on standard DVD.

    No recording DVD's is not hard at all. That is why most college campuses are swimming in illegally copied DVD's. It is just a matter of making a couple clicks. This forum is to the digital video world what BF is to the cycling world. It is very informative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koffee brown
    I'm hysterically blind and I didn't see anything written, but if I did, I'd say thanks!

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    I have the NEC ND-3550A purchased from Newegg for about $40 - Hacked Firmware is available for it which will remove RipLock and also make it Region Free. A new DVD writer will only read at 2x until the riplock is disabled. The Region free will allow you to Back Up and view foreign DVDs

    The NEC ND-3350A is highly regarded in the DVD Back Up environment.

    If you decide to get the NEC ND-3550A let me know and I will send you links to Hacked Firmware sites; such as Liggy & Dees - It's legal to make a DVD Back Up for personal use as is the hacked firmware.

    To "Back Up" a movie I use DVDFabDecrypter (free) to rip the DVD and Nero Recode to Burn the image - Nero Recode will also shrink the image onto a single layer DVD if you do not choose to use Dual Layer media(DVD)

    To reference various methods, search for DVD Back Up methods; but everything you need to know is on the site below.

    Read Here:
    http://www.videohelp.com/
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    Actually DVD shrink does it all, it says so right on their homepage.
    DVD Shrink is software to backup DVD discs. You can use this software in conjunction with DVD burning software of your choice, to make a backup copy of any DVD video disc.

    DVD Shrink will also burn your backup DVD, if you have installed the latest version of Nero. You can download a demo version of Nero here. If you already possess alternative burning software and prefer to stick with it, then you can still use DVD Shrink. The output from DVD Shrink can be saved as files on your hard drive, which you can then burn with software of your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slvoid
    Actually DVD shrink does it all, it says so right on their homepage.
    Wrong! As DVD Shrink does a poor job of Decrypting.

    DVDDecrypter is out of the business and DVDFabDecrypter has taken over.

    Also, The author of DVD Shrink is now working for Nero

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    No, I'm pretty sure it does say that on their home page.
    Here, I'll quote it again in case you missed it.
    DVD Shrink is software to backup DVD discs. You can use this software in conjunction with DVD burning software of your choice, to make a backup copy of any DVD video disc.

    DVD Shrink will also burn your backup DVD, if you have installed the latest version of Nero. You can download a demo version of Nero here. If you already possess alternative burning software and prefer to stick with it, then you can still use DVD Shrink. The output from DVD Shrink can be saved as files on your hard drive, which you can then burn with software of your choice.
    Quote Originally Posted by wildjim
    Wrong! As DVD Shrink does a poor job of Decrypting.

    DVDDecrypter is out of the business and DVDFabDecrypter has taken over.

    Also, The author of DVD Shrink is now working for Nero

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    dvddecrypter, imageburn,folder2iso

    then get mplayer/mencoder for playing and re-encoding, grab guiffmpeg while your at it, grab dvdstyler for authoring dvd's

    all this stuff is free http://www.videohelp.com/tools

    all the above will give you the ability to do just about anything with dvd's and general video decoding/encoding

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    Quote Originally Posted by slvoid
    No, I'm pretty sure it does say that on their home page.
    Here, I'll quote it again in case you missed it.
    To put it Bluntly, You do not know of what you speak.

    As DVD Shrink is not updated anymore because the original author of it is now working for Nero with their product "Nero Recode"

    DVDDecrypter is also not updated anymore.

    However another product "DVDFabDecrypter" is updated regularly and does a great job. Sony movies can be a PITA requiring some extra steps. "VobBalnker" is another important tool.

    As new copy protection schemes are developed on a regular basis so must the decrypter be updated.

    DVDFabDecrypter seems to answer the challenge whenever there is a new copy protection scheme.

    Read and Learn Here:
    http://www.videohelp.com/
    Last edited by wildjim; 01-09-06 at 03:32 AM.

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    Panasonic makes some high quality DVD recorders that sell at Circuit City for under $200. They have built-in TV circuits, so just connect to the TV, tune to your favorite show, and record. Blank DVD disks from "name brand" companies such as Memorex go "on sale" for as little as $8 for 30 disks. ("Brand X" and store brand blank DVD's sometimes are not reliable).

    In the "one hour" mode, the DVD's looks just as sharp as the original program. In the "two hour" mode, you can see a tiny bit of digital "noise" in the picture if you have a sharp TV and sharp eyes...but the four hour mode, six hour mode, eight hour mode...they must be for use with security camera's, because they are waay too fuzzy to enjoy re-watching your favorite shows.

    If you copy a TV show, you can copy that DVD by connecting any DVD player to your DVD recorder. In the "one hour" mode, you get acceptable copies. In longer modes, the copies are not as sharp as the original.

    Of course, you can NOT copy DVD's you rent from Blockbuster. Special security encoding blocks the record function on the DVD recorder.

    By the way, the BEST use of the Panasonic DVD recorders is for playing rental DVD's. They have advanced playback designs that provide a much more natural looking picture and natural looking colors than the typical $59 DVD players that many folks use. The playback function alone is well worth spending the $200.

    Unlike most brands, Panasonic provides a full 12 months labor warranty. The industry standard is just ninety days. So, there is no need to pay extra for the store's extended warranty.

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