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Old 01-09-06, 04:43 PM   #1
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$600 camera

Hey guys
my boss/teacher dude needs a new digital camera or like a semi SLR type of camera w/e it is for his architectural projects.
and i'm going to be his photographer!

so just wondering if u know any good cameras under $600?

1. under $600
2. wants professional sleak magazine print finish

those are the only things my boss is asking for

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I have the canon g6 and like it. you can get it for about 500-550. 7.1 megapixel. A little bulky but really flexible and good quality photos.
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Old 01-09-06, 04:50 PM   #3
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Under $600 would be tough for a digital SLR. I'm currently looking at the Canon Rebel XT. You can find a package with a couple of lenses (although not canon) for around $899.
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Under $600 would be tough for a digital SLR. I'm currently looking at the Canon Rebel XT. You can find a package with a couple of lenses (although not canon) for around $899.
oh yeah i quite like the XT too. but i'm just not sure of the quality of the print though:/
anyone?
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Is there an issue with the prints? I haven't heard this. It's either the XT or a Nikon D70 which is more.
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Is there an issue with the prints? I haven't heard this. It's either the XT or a Nikon D70 which is more.
waiting for kenneth's reply to hear his opnion on this..hmm..
but i really want a XT
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$599 gets you a Nikon D50 - if you have lenses already, you can add those on. Otherwise, you can add a Nikon 50mm for about $100.

Also, check http://www.keh.com for a variety of used equipment at stellar prices and good conditions. Highly recommended by friends (I'm about to use them to pick up some lenses).
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P.S. I recommended the D50 to my girl who's a semi-pro photog (http://www.treesquirrel.org) as her first foray into the digital world and she loves it. I personally use a d70 mostly evidenced here: http://www.absenter.org
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fixed gear cameras?
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just bought my girlfriend a panasonic lumix dmc-lx1 if you're entertaining non-slr options
http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/lumix/lx1/
8.4 megapixels. leica-designed lens. shoots raw files.
good higher-end point and shoot.

also second the canon g6
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Old 01-09-06, 05:13 PM   #11
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P.S. I recommended the D50 to my girl who's a semi-pro photog (http://www.treesquirrel.org) as her first foray into the digital world and she loves it. I personally use a d70 mostly evidenced here: http://www.absenter.org

LOL...I like the granny/dog/living room shot intro, but then...the obvious scattered bike shots throughout the storage area
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I have a Canon PowerShot Pro 1 -- great lens for the money, which should be around $600 online. See here for a review:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canonpro1/
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spend 600 dollars on a good film camera system a body and a few lenses then shoot slides and have them scaned at a good resolution post prosses them in photoshop burn on cd take back to a good lab have them print to w/e size needed or if this is for a real publication then they should take slides straight
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i have a cannon g5...never let me down.
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for $600 he could get a second hand large format 4x5 camera and a flatbed scanner that can do transparencies.

the advantages are:
movements [tilts/shifts]- instead of expensive shift lenses [which are way over $600 on their own] you get all the movements on the camera. this is important for architectural photography because it means you can get all the parallel lines parallel.

resolution- a 600dpi scan will get a 7MP image. most scanners can easily double that. atleast.
for a 8x12" single page image he's going to need 2,400x3,600px [9MP]

polaroid film means you don't need to wait for developing to check for exposure etc.

resale- apart from the scanner, he'll be able to sell all of it for pretty much the same price as he bought it.

disadvantages:
[relatively] difficult to learn
setup time- one photo every five minutes is probably doing well.
weight & bulk
expense of film

ask fugazi dave about large format, i think he did some stuff with it.

or: http://kenrockwell.com/tech/4x5.htm

if your boss/teacher still has his heart set on digital, my brother uses a panasonic fz-something. leica lens, very quick, very easy to use. the reservations i'd have about it for architectural photography is that the lens isn't wide angle enough.
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P.S. I recommended the D50 to my girl who's a semi-pro photog (http://www.treesquirrel.org) as her first foray into the digital world and she loves it. I personally use a d70 mostly evidenced here: http://www.absenter.org
I'm also an avowed D70 fan. www.randomprecisionphoto.com

Amazing cameras, especially for the buck.

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just bought my girlfriend a panasonic lumix dmc-lx1 if you're entertaining non-slr options
http://panasonic.co.jp/pavc/global/lumix/lx1/
8.4 megapixels. leica-designed lens. shoots raw files.
good higher-end point and shoot.

also second the canon g6
+1 for the Lumix, it takes incredible photographs!
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Old 01-10-06, 06:41 PM   #18
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for $600 he could get a second hand large format 4x5 camera and a flatbed scanner that can do transparencies.

the advantages are:
movements [tilts/shifts]- instead of expensive shift lenses [which are way over $600 on their own] you get all the movements on the camera. this is important for architectural photography because it means you can get all the parallel lines parallel.

resolution- a 600dpi scan will get a 7MP image. most scanners can easily double that. atleast.
for a 8x12" single page image he's going to need 2,400x3,600px [9MP]

polaroid film means you don't need to wait for developing to check for exposure etc.

resale- apart from the scanner, he'll be able to sell all of it for pretty much the same price as he bought it.

disadvantages:
[relatively] difficult to learn
setup time- one photo every five minutes is probably doing well.
weight & bulk
expense of film

ask fugazi dave about large format, i think he did some stuff with it.

or: http://kenrockwell.com/tech/4x5.htm

if your boss/teacher still has his heart set on digital, my brother uses a panasonic fz-something. leica lens, very quick, very easy to use. the reservations i'd have about it for architectural photography is that the lens isn't wide angle enough.
Your suggestion is right on.

I have 2 large format cameras in addition to a Nikon D70. The large formats are great for architecture (getting rid of converging lines, etc etc) though I use them more for nature and landscape.

The first one, a Crown Graphic I got off ebay for $300 (its probably about 40 years old but it works fine). It came with a 135mm lens that doesn't allow much movement (the image circle is not that large) but I think if you can get a used Crown Graphic and film holders, you will be good to go. I also have a Shen Hao Hzx with a 150 F5.6 Caltar Lens.

The only reason I bought the Shen Hao was that I carried my Crown Graphic + a 45 pound backpack on a 3 day hiking/camping trip in the White mountains only to find that since the camera was so old the shutter on the lens froze up in close to freezing temperatures. I have exactly one photo from that trip (my friend, who had carried his digital point and shoot, had lots of photos (including a few of me throwing a hissy fit and about to throw my Crown Graphic off the mountain. But that is another story....). I doubt that you would have the same problem unless you were taking photos in su-freezing temps.

Large format photography can be very challenging initially and is always slower but when you have static subjects (architecture, landscape) then it is definitely the way to go.

I scan in my film using an Epson 4870 flatbed scanner but considering that you are playing with a negative that is 4x5 inches any scanner that can scan negatives should be good. Alternatively, you can develop the film and scan the print on pretty much any flat bed scanner and be good to go.

In your price range, you can get a Crown Graphic with a few film holders or a fuji QuickLoader and unless you need extreme movements you will be good to go. Or you can look for a used Shen-Hao or Tachihara within that same price range (I should have never bought new).
If you have the time to invest in learning this is the way to go, if you just want to hit the ground running you can go digital.

However, even if you get a digital SLR in that Price range, for architectural photos (especially interiors) you need really wide angle lenses and those cost a bundle for digital SLRs due to the comparatively smaller size of the sensors compared to 35mm slrs. I have a Nikon D70 with a 12-24 Tokina Lens. If I was to go into architecture photography, I would probably use this for its ease of use and only use the Large format if I had to get rid of converging lines etc.

Regarding Lens coverage on the Crown Graphic, in this picture you will see some distortion in the corners (lower left, lower right). That is due to the fact that when I used camera movements I ended up moving part of the image out of the lens image circle). However, note that I was actually trying for the effect and really had to tilt/shift the lens a lot to get it.
http://www.kimeriaphotography.com/2636723-lg.htm

[Disclaimer: I am not a professional photographer, just a hobbyist.]
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I've never heard of a print issue with the rebel XT. I've had mine for about 2 months, haven't made any prints over 5x7 but I'm very happy with the quality of the sensor. Shouldn't be any issues until maybe 16x12 or up..
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