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Old 02-23-06, 11:25 AM   #1
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I spend most of my time in BF in the road cycling section so I don't know if this is prevalent in the other sections of BF, but it seems to me that there are constant and continuous violations of the forum guidelines by the same people, time and time again. I have just gone back and read the forum guidelines and noticed that there are policies stating that this type of behaviour is clearly against the intentions and policies of the administrators. Yet we are constantly bombarded by the same type of immature and annoying harrassmernt. Usually perpetrated by the same people. I am not usually one to complain, but in one particular 6 page thread, my ignore feature was used 33 times, pretty much ruining the thread for me. I have been the victim of this type of behaviour from one particular member. While I know it is necessary to have a thick skin when in an internet forum, I do not see why the same people can constantly get away with abusing other members with impunity and never have to suffer the consequences of their actions. Some of these people have been banned, which was tantamount to just a child getting a time-out...only to be allowed to return and continue with the same type of behaviour. I find alot of this in the road section, in particular, as I have mentioned previously. If there is going to be a set of guidelines then it should be enforced. I am not talking about the occasional squabble, of which there are bound to be a few. But the constant offenders are making this place very hard to deal with sometimes. In spite of all of this, I do find this a wonderful place to share our knwoledge and enthusiasm. It is a shame that a scant few are allowed to ruin it for so many on a constant basis.

I am very sorry for being so long winded (handed?)...okay....rant over.

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*cough* Euro *cough* ?
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Oh and I want you to know that If my name is on that list I'm going to come over their and I'm going to kick your butt

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Consider it akin to degrees of breaking the rules. Quite simply, if we followed the rules to the letter and came down with a hammer, we would end up with very few active members...Fact of life on forums, all forums unless run like a boot camp, there are trolls, there are jerks, there are naive newbs, punk newbs and of course the all knowing jackasses.

also, I don't think I have seen a report from you about anything. Kind of like voting, if you don't take the time to vote, you don't have the right to complain. If a report doesn't cut it, pm a mod and find out why it might not have been acted on.
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I frequent road cycling forums, triathlons and foo..yes, there is a huge difference in how people conduct themselves but keep in mind, it is the same in real life, cycling can be very competitive and can bring up issues like self esteem, it's easier to find people on the defensive or feeling under attack or just plain being jerks just as it is easier to find that kind of behavior in races and not while in a bar relaxing,You rarely find this in foo because it's like going out to a bar with friends and just chatting. It's a relaxing place to me away from it all and away from that kind of tension you can find when people compete. I go to the cycling forums because Im like a sponge about infos and live for this sport, althought I might also have a lot to say, i will rarely post anything because of that kind of behavior.I really dont feel like I should be under attack for asking a question or using this or that gear.. there are tons of great people in cycling threads but the few that attacks people in there and enough for me to ruin my experience. I post in foo and have a great time!
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There are only a handful of modeators and we don't read every post. If there is an offensive post, in the road forum, and no one uses the SPAM! button(bottom right) then I will never see it, as I don't peruse the road forum.

The moderators are screwed either way, we either get seen as to harsh and interfering or as coddlers for problem posters. We really try to not permanatly ban any one, and use temp bans to get the message across. Sometimes that person comes back and behaves and sometimes they don't. There are some sad little men that enjoy beings anonymous turds on forums abd will go to fair lengths to come back and harass members, using different names/profiles, multiple IPs, changing IPs to block bans. the are pretty resourceful for a bunch of losers.
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...I have been the victim...
Well, you could do what another forum member did. He threw a temper tantrum when people posted and disagreed with him here, quit the forum, and started his own blog. Now, when anyone posts to his blog something he doesn't like, he deletes that post. His blog has these gaps in the comments that say something like, "this comment deleted by the blog owner", or whatever. He now looks like someone who can't tolerate another's point of view and is closed to other's ideas and opinions.

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I frequent road cycling forums, triathlons and foo..yes, there is a huge difference in how people conduct themselves but keep in mind, it is the same in real life, cycling can be very competitive and can bring up issues like self esteem, it's easier to find people on the defensive or feeling under attack or just plain being jerks just as it is easier to find that kind of behavior in races and not while in a bar relaxing,You rarely find this in foo because it's like going out to a bar with friends and just chatting. It's a relaxing place to me away from it all and away from that kind of tension you can find when people compete. I go to the cycling forums because Im like a sponge about infos and live for this sport, althought I might also have a lot to say, i will rarely post anything because of that kind of behavior.I really dont feel like I should be under attack for asking a question or using this or that gear.. there are tons of great people in cycling threads but the few that attacks people in there and enough for me to ruin my experience. I post in foo and have a great time!
Exactly. I frequent IRC alot and there are alot of people that don't really understand the analogy between IRC and forums and bars
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Consider it akin to degrees of breaking the rules. Quite simply, if we followed the rules to the letter and came down with a hammer, we would end up with very few active members...Fact of life on forums, all forums unless run like a boot camp, there are trolls, there are jerks, there are naive newbs, punk newbs and of course the all knowing jackasses.

also, I don't think I have seen a report from you about anything. Kind of like voting, if you don't take the time to vote, you don't have the right to complain. If a report doesn't cut it, pm a mod and find out why it might not have been acted on.
I WAS GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING except i didnt know whether he ever had, and I figured i'd come sounding off like an *******. Not that I'm not one.
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Well, you could do what another forum member did. He threw a temper tantrum when people posted and disagreed with him here, quit the forum, and started his own blog. Now, when anyone posts to his blog something he doesn't like, he deletes that post. His blog has these gaps in the comments that say something like, "this comment deleted by the blog owner", or whatever. He now looks like someone who can't tolerate another's point of view and is closed to other's ideas and opinions.

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Well Brian, that's why a lot of people don't hang out there. Sure I pop in every once in a while, but for me personally, I don't have a road bike, so that's my reason. Foo is fun, and we too have our "select few" but after a while, you get to figure them out and discover that they (here on foo) are harmless. It's just like a family. You fight with your brothers and sisters, you can't stand them, but if anyone else messes with them, now you're talking business.

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Yes, use the "SPAM!" button when it's appropriate to do so! I started using it after another similar discussion someone started a while back. The mods here do a great job, but they need our help. I don't hit the button at every minor offense since that would simply overwhelm the mods with useless reports, but for major things or for issues that persist, take a few seconds to hit the button and briefly explain the problem.
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There are only a handful of modeators and we don't read every post. If there is an offensive post, in the road forum, and no one uses the SPAM! button(bottom right) then I will never see it, as I don't peruse the road forum.

The moderators are screwed either way, we either get seen as to harsh and interfering or as coddlers for problem posters. We really try to not permanatly ban any one, and use temp bans to get the message across. Sometimes that person comes back and behaves and sometimes they don't. There are some sad little men that enjoy beings anonymous turds on forums abd will go to fair lengths to come back and harass members, using different names/profiles, multiple IPs, changing IPs to block bans. the are pretty resourceful for a bunch of losers.

But then again there are some of us who think you guys are doing a GREAT job. You are giving us your time for FREE, and are putting up with a lot of stuff. I'm surprised you guys hang on for so long. But I do appreciate what you've done. It is a lot. Thank you.
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I use the spam button to report spam. Although I think I may have hit the spam button once or twice to report something that was really really bad but for the most part as Maelstrom said there are degrees. E.g. Something that i consider to be actually actually discriminating with malice intent - that's bad. Euro going off on his high horse. That's just to be ignored.
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Ahhh I see now...You did report, but we actually didn't see anything wrong with 2 of the reports. One we acted on. Feel free to continue reporting, but I have to say a couple of the reports were barely borderline. Please pm if you have some more details and I can look into it. But to be honest, I believe the person you are concerned with is a down home troll just pulling you and others for a ride. Like a lot of trolls, he is walking the line, barely crossing it, which is why he has not been removed.

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I use the spam button to report spam. Although I think I may have hit the spam button once or twice to report something that was really really bad but for the most part as Maelstrom said there are degrees. E.g. Something that i consider to be actually actually discriminating with malice intent - that's bad. Euro going off on his high horse. That's just to be ignored.
Thats how I judge. Malicious intend is where the line gets cross. Simply using slang that may be offensive etc just doesn't cut it. Heck I would be banned if we judged slang too loosely.
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There are only a handful of modeators and we don't read every post. If there is an offensive post, in the road forum, and no one uses the SPAM! button(bottom right) then I will never see it, as I don't peruse the road forum.

The moderators are screwed either way, we either get seen as to harsh and interfering or as coddlers for problem posters. We really try to not permanatly ban any one, and use temp bans to get the message across. Sometimes that person comes back and behaves and sometimes they don't. There are some sad little men that enjoy beings anonymous turds on forums abd will go to fair lengths to come back and harass members, using different names/profiles, multiple IPs, changing IPs to block bans. the are pretty resourceful for a bunch of losers.
It's like real life... You have to decide who you will value and what you want to be part of.. I wish I had a "spam" button for every rude comments I have heard in my life or a trash bin to put people in that I didnt care about.. but I dont.. to me, you have to deal with what you dont like on here just like you deal with it in real life..and if that fails, then there are moderators to at least hear you out and try to help.Which is more then a lot of free services offer.
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Ahhh...that's what SPAM! means. I thought it was for posts hawking snake oil and the like.

Anyways, for me anyways, I noticed each forum seems to have their own personality, cliques and environment. The Road forum doesn't hold much interest to me because I'm not big on OCP and weight weenieism (hold your flames, I know there's more to the Road forum, but it seems those are recurring topics) so unless there's a new Knave thread, I don't follow it too closely. The Commuter forum is a good place to just blow off steam about your commute and hear some good war stories from people that ride every day on the roads in traffic in all kinds of weather w/o the benefit of a pace line or SAG van. And Foo is just everyone being goofy and irreverent.
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i'm in and out of every forum. i tend to use the "view new posts" feature so i see a list of the newest posts from all the forums. i just open the ones that have titles that appeal to me.
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It's like real life... You have to decide who you will value and what you want to be part of.. I wish I had a "spam" button for every rude comments I have heard in my life or a trash bin to put people in that I didnt care about.. but I dont.. to me, you have to deal with what you dont like on here just like you deal with it in real life..and if that fails, then there are moderators to at least hear you out and try to help.Which is more then a lot of free services offer.
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Your post reminded me of Ally McBeal
God I loved that show. Just wish they didn't have to assinate all of their characters on every episode. That should would still probably be around. I can just see an Ally McBeal episode where she's doing that
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According to my gay friends, Ally McBeal was the Monday Night Football of gay bars. I'm just sayin'...
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God I loved that show. Just wish they didn't have to assinate all of their characters on every episode. That should would still probably be around. I can just see an Ally McBeal episode where she's doing that
That's so funny you say that... my husband used to watch that show and tell me I would remind him of her all the time!! he said I have the same sense of dry humor and cutenest... good thing he didnt say we had the same cute figure...
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According to my gay friends, Ally McBeal was the Monday Night Football of gay bars. I'm just sayin'...
LOL!! Kind of like "Will And Grace" now huh (whatever night they're on)?

DAMN!! I've just helped hijack my own thread
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