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Old 02-24-06, 06:02 PM   #26
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Oh and yeah, who says that we are intelligent There is a great amount of population that speaks to the opposite of that. You watch TV and you sometimes wonder if monkeys or baboons got ahold of the tv set
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Yeah, sure, there's more intelligent life out there somewhere, but who cares? I don't think we'd ever be able to contact them and they can't/don't want to contact us in our life time, so seriously, who cares? I don't worry about it. Hoping or thinking that we could ever be in contact with other intelligent life is just pure fantasy, in my opinion. Eh, it'll be a kick in the balls for me when I wake up tomorrow and earth is being invaded Independence Day style or I get abducted and probed
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I voted yes, but the only way this intelligent life will have anything to do with us is if they helped engineer our planet and have to step in before we blow ourselves off of the face of the planet with nuclear weapons, and thus ruining reality TV show.

Otherwise they will stay as far away from us as possible.

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You would have to be pretty stupid to think that with as big as the universe is, only our star system has intelligent life. But to reiterate what was already said, how in the hell could we contact somebody untold millions-billions of light years away?

There is positively no question that there are other intelligent lifeforms out there, but the question that has always facinated me is, how many? Imagine, there could be in excess of 2 million species that have made spaceships, and we will never know about them.
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The problem with that equation is that depending on the values you choose as "reasonable" for each of the SEVEN variables, you can produce ANY answer. Yes there's billions, no we're the only one.

Some good logic I heard was like this...

IF faster_than_light_travel_is_possible {

There probably are no other intelligent life forms. What are the odds that there is other intelligent life and it started at the SAME TIME that we started? The universe is 13 billion years old, but our solar system is only 4 or 5 billion years old. In the last 0.00004% of time humans have gone from playing with rocks to sending robot probes out of the solar system. If FTL is possible, it seems ludicrous to think it'll take us more than maybe another few thousand years to discover it. Once it's discovered, populating the entire universe is merely a matter of time. You know there's people out there who would go to some random distant star just for the fun of it. Therefore if FTL exists, and there is other intelligent life, they would probably have already been here, probably even millions of years ago. OR we're the "oldest" intelligent life and the next one won't evolve for another few million years.

** ELSE (no FTL) {

There might be, but it probably doesn't matter. If there's no FTL, the time it'll take to reach other habitable planets or communicate with another life form would be measured in significant fractions of the age of our species.

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Therefore if FTL exists, and there is other intelligent life, they would probably have already been here, probably even millions of years ago.
Oh yeah, that's another dinosaur extinction theory: Big game hunters from another planet.
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Yes, easiest reason in the world. In the vastness of the universe it would be very naive and almost ignorant to believe otherwise.
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Old 02-26-06, 02:31 PM   #34
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Oh yeah, that's another dinosaur extinction theory: Big game hunters from another planet.
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Isn't the alien from the Predator movies a hunter? He went around to all the planets killing stuff and keeping trophies. And we all know that movie has to be true...it has Arnold in it!
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Do you think there is other intelligent life in the Universe?
Other than human? Sure. Dogs are pretty smart, so are ravens, so are...
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They're probably just as dumb as we are.



The question then becomes, which one will you vote for?
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Cmon people! where do you think ufos and crop circles come from!!
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yes it is likely that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe. It is not possible to be certain as we only have certain knowledge of life arising once in the universe and it is not possible to determine a probability and therefore calculate the probable number of intelligent civilisations by observing an event occuring only once.

As far as we know the universe is not infinite but is vast. Hence it seems likely to me that life having arisen once could quite probably arise again. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) we will probably never meet our contemporary aliens since the probable immense distances between us will make contact impossible. Our civilisations will rise and fall ignorant of the existence of the others. Unless that is the warp drive turns out not to be merely a convenient device of sci-fi writers to overcome the inherent impossibility of interstellar travel (which hampers plot development horribly)
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It's pretty damned arogant to believe that we are the
only "intellegent" species in the universe.
I have to vote yes.
(and vote for Zaphod )
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I think so, it's too big a universe for us to be the only ones. We're not that special.
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Actually uuummm, I really do not think there is ANY intelligent life form in the external universe , my own universe is the highest of all life form. No dooouuubt.
Did you see that!!! A flying saucer!!!

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You would have to be pretty stupid to think that with as big as the universe is, only our star system has intelligent life. But to reiterate what was already said, how in the hell could we contact somebody untold millions-billions of light years away?

There is positively no question that there are other intelligent lifeforms out there, but the question that has always facinated me is, how many? Imagine, there could be in excess of 2 million species that have made spaceships, and we will never know about them.
I don't know why it would be stupid to doubt it. So far, we have absolutely no direct evidence for it (unless you count the wow signal, or give credence to UFO sightings). We don't even know if there are other habitable planets outside our solar system, or if what we understand to be habitable really is the limits of habitability. What we do have is a statistical observations of our own solar system that make it look likely, especially given the size of the universe. 1 planet definitely has life. At least 2 other planets and 2 moons have conditions that may be conducive to life, but we haven't found life on them, nor have we confirmed that our solar system is not unique. Call me the perpetual skeptic, but I voted no on the basis of lacking direct evidence.

I think it was Drake (of the Drake equation) or Dyson who considered the idea of intelligent beings trying to contact other intelligent life via radio signals, and did some math looking at the likelihood of success based on the density of intelligent civillizations, the average amount of time a civillization might survive, and the amount of energy available to broadcast. The results were not very encouraging, suggesting that finding other civillizations would be pretty tough if they did exist.

If you'll all forgive me for dipping into a theological tangent of this philosophical discussion for a second, I've heard people suggest before that discovering life, especially intelligent life, on other planets would be a fatal blow for Christianity. This isn't true, however. As some theologians have noted, there are several possibilities from a Christian perspective:

1 - Life is out there, waiting for us meet and share our theology with them (suggesting their own is incomplete);
2 - Life is out there waiting to share their theology with us (ours is incomplete);
3 - Life is out there, but developed theologically distinctly from ours.

The first is often compared to bringing Christianity to the Americas. The second places our planet in the same position as the native Americans, although it is unclear how the theology of human salvation history would fit into the bigger picture. I think CS Lewis had a pretty good vision of the third in his Space Trilogy, where cultures on Earth, Mars, and Venus each experienced their own versions of creation, fall, and reconcilliation.

Sorry, I know I'm just as bad of a Bible nerd as I am a science nerd. But this is a pretty diverse forum and I thought some of you might find these suppositions interesting to compare to your own beliefs.
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Sometimes I think that the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere is that none of it has tried to contact us.

Edit: I firmly believe that all life forms are inherently intelligent, given that all life forms have the ability to sustain themselves and their species. Whether or not they can make a weapon that kills or a vehicle that transports or a roof that shelters is not, for me, the "intellegence" idea.

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i said yes. i dont think our sorry little planet is the only one with life. i was going to try and explain but the concept of space makes my head hurt.
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There was once an article (yes I read the article) in Playboy about intelligent life in our galaxy. I don't recall who the author was but for some reason Carl Sagen sticks in my mind. The article was essentially a statistical analysis: Number of stars in the galaxy. Of that number, how many could support planets. Of that number how many probably do support planets. Of the potential planets in the galaxy, how many could probably support life. Of that number, how many probably have life. Of the planets that probably have life, the number that could probably support higher forms of intelligent life. Finally, the probably number of civilizations in the galaxy with higher forms of intelligent life. In each case above, the percentages were low, i.e., number of planets that probably support life was something like 20-30% of those that could support life.

OK, the number of civilizations in the galaxy with higher forms of intelligent, according to the was...50.

Oh yeah, by his definition, humankind on the planet Earth was NOT a higher form of intelligent life.
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