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Old 03-23-06, 07:34 PM   #1
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Is this morally/academically wrong?

Projects in highschool are frequent, and often count for a substantial chunk of ones final grade. Often times, there is an option to create a nice poster.

Well I am nearly finished with my router project, Looking at some good size capacity. Now this makes me think....
SOkme students do not do well in various classes, and projects like posters are always a good opportunity to increase ones grade. I was thinking I could draw peoples posters on my router, completely controlled my a computer. THis would give me almost endless possibilities of how to make this thing. I could have intricate drawings, perfectly straight lines, circles, whatever.

FOr a measly fee of 15 dollars . I think that a student in real need of a grade boost will pay it.
My question is, do other people see this as wrong, morally or academically?
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Old 03-23-06, 07:38 PM   #2
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I don't know who would be stupid enough to pay $15 to have a poster made. But if someone would be willing to pay you, I'd say go for it! Just don't get caught, I'm sure the teachers would not like the idea.
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Many students get grounded if they do not achieve a certain grade. If the student is hovering around the F mark, an A poster might be just what is needed to increase that grade, thus about grounding. I think in this situation, a desperate student will pay 15.

Or I could use 1/4" MDF for 5 dollars more.
Then make a sign, "Phantomcow's Underground Poster Making srevice
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I don't see it as morally wrong as long as they are the ones who come up with the content for the poster.
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Old 03-23-06, 07:42 PM   #5
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I would say it was OK as long as the ideas for the poster are of the student you are drawing it for. After all that is how the real world works. Artists work for Advertisers does the mead advertisers are cheating
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I don't see it as morally wrong as long as they are the ones who come up with the content for the poster.
That is how it would be. They would give me all of the information, and a good idea of what they want it to look like. I use the GIMP (if I can ever figure that thing out), or Photoshop to draw it. Send them a copy of the Jpeg, they say Yay or Nay and if nay, why not. THen I draw it on paper.
The only time I would find it wrong is if this was for an art student...
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Doing another student's work is always academically unacceptable. For the student who accepts the help, that's where the line between being tutored and cheating gets crossed. This includes indirectly doing a student's work, such as looking over a student's homework for the sole purpose of highlighting the incorrect answers. (That's double checking the work on behalf of the other student.)

Cue EJ123 posting about how he wouldn't want to be my student in the future...
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I guess I'll clarify some. If you're helping with formating, that's fine. But if you're making the formating decisions for the student, that is not okay. If a student could not honestly acknowledge to the teacher that someone else helped with the parts where the student received help and still receive the same grade, then the student cheated. If the student got help that can be explained to a teacher without consequence (not that it would require such explanation), then it's not cheating.
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Doing another student's work is always academically unacceptable. For the student who accepts the help, that's where the line between being tutored and cheating gets crossed. This includes indirectly doing a student's work, such as looking over a student's homework for the sole purpose of highlighting the incorrect answers. (That's double checking the work on behalf of the other student.)

Cue EJ123 posting about how he wouldn't want to be my student in the future...
jeez, I wouldnt want to be your student in the future!
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jeez, I wouldnt want to be your student in the future!
You only have a right to that which you've earned. Grades included. Tough, honest, and good teachers are worth their weight in gold.
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sounds fine, as long as all you're doing is providing the router service. They should come up with the design, and optimally, learn how to run the router (note that I don't suggest you let them do it...)

And yes, they would pay $15. I know people that paid a lot more than that for essays. I was offered $80 to write a kids' essay once, it meant the difference between F and C. I didn't write it, but I proofread it for $5. Hey, a guy's gotta eat - besides, the kid passed.
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Wouldn't teachers start getting suspicious? I mean, if a buch of not so great (no offense) students start turning in these perfect posters (i would assume they would have some similarites) wouldn't teachers start to notice a trend?
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I don't see it as morally wrong as long as they are the ones who come up with the content for the poster.
Agreed, but talk it over with the teacher's involved, just in case. There is a little bit to be said for the student putting in their own effort artistically. The teacher's goals in allowing a student to make up credit with a poster is probably largely motivated by getting the student to do some research and learn something on their own, but it may also be a sneaky way to get the student to spend some genuine time on a class-related activity, in vain hope they may realize school isn't all bad.

They also have the option of taking a file down to kinko's and paying a couple bucks for a color large format print-out. You're not alone in the market.
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You only have a right to that which you've earned. Grades included. Tough, honest, and good teachers are worth their weight in gold.
Cast iron...

I was kind of hoping someone would get the joke with out a smiley. But I guess not. It was a joke. I know about that. trust me.
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I was kind of hoping someone would get the joke with out a smiley.
So you will be my student after all? See you in class Monday!
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You only have a right to that which you've earned. Grades included. Tough, honest, and good teachers are worth their weight in gold.
I couldn't agree more, as I'm so thankful that I had teachers who pushed me--both in high school and college/graduate school. I never had a teacher ever give me a bad grade. I was given the grades I deserved. Even then, I was shown a lot of mercy and got grades higher than what I should have.
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of course it is!!! for some strange reason these people will become doctors because in highschool you do his/her poster what kind of doctor cant do posters!
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I don't see it as morally wrong as long as they are the ones who come up with the content for the poster.
+1. It's not much different than them taking it down to Kinkos...
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I wouldn't do it. Getting caught will not be worth the $30-$45 you'll make.
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+1. It's not much different than them taking it down to Kinkos...

If they're paying somebody at Kinkos to draw their posters for them, that's wrong too. And I'd bet it's in violation of the code of ethics at the school... If all they're doing is paying for printing service, that's fine.
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I think if the teacher knows and agrees it's okay....like someone said, it's like Kinkos. If your work in any was changes the grade they would have gotten for that specific task, it's very very wrong.
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You already know the answer to your question. If you didn't see it as 'wrong' in some way, you wouldn't be asking us.
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If you can assure that you won't get burnt if/when someone gets caught and rats you out (c'mon, anyone who pays for a grade isn't going to be the most honorable in a situation like that), then go for it. But charge $50. More for a rush job.

Otherwise, it's not worth it. Something like that will go on your transcript and will make it difficult to get into the school you want.
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Its probably morally and academically wrong. But there are thousands of things in this world that we say are "okay" or are "right" that are. Its your butt that gets in trouble if you get caught or somebody gets unhappy and then finks on you
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When I just read the first post my knee jerk answer was yes it is wrong. But reading more I surely hope it is not a problem at all. It seems wrong to me that a student will get a better grade on a science or history project because they have the art skills to make a pretty poster. It also seems wrong that they will get a better grade bacause they can pay for the help to make a pretty poster.

So (excluding art classes as already mentioned) I would have no moral issue with this. You are just providing packaging.

You might want to draw up a one page contract sheet documenting what you provide making it clear you ONLY help them put their design and idea on paper. Then also include a line saying that it is their responsibility to determine if this kind of help is allowable in their class. This will server to protect you if the line gets crossed and also to protect your customers if questions get asked and they have in fact not done anything the teacher would object to.
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