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    Microsfot Office 07 new UI

    What do you guys think of the new user interface of the microsoft office 2007 programs?

    Im kinda of dissipointed, as far as a i can tell it hasnt added any new awsome functionality.....it just makes it really easy to use all of the old functions.

    Which is great for monkeys( or old people, either one) trying to learn how to use microsoft word, but im already proficient with the old word so why would i buy this new one.


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    http://www.microsoft.com/office/prev...ighlights.mspx
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    Looks like the same crap in a different box. Probably still have that stoopid pop-up PaperClip too.

    For what I use it for I love my Office97

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    Hot damn!! It has a "ribbon".

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    Yeah, I still use Office97 too. Takes less than 1-second to start up any of the programs like Word, Excel, etc. The whole purpose of these programs is to create an 8.5x11" output on a piece of paper and that task hasn't changed much in the past couple of decades...

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    I liked Microsoft Word 3 just fine on my family's old Mac SE that we got in 1988. Runs just fine on a computer with 1 MB RAM and a 20 MB hard drive. Handles fonts, font sizes, and simple text formatting just fine. And the end result prints out just the same as from any other word processor on any other computer since the computer's using the same Postscript fonts and printing to the same networked Postscript laser printer. (Not the fonts and printer we originally had with it; upgraded from bitmap fonts and a dot matrix printer in 1994 when we networked it to our newer Mac.)
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    I still have word and excel 97 on my comp (start up so fast), along with office 03. At first I didn't think there was much improvement to the 03, but if you use it a lot you can tell its improved. Don't know if that'll apply to the 07 version.
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    If 07 makes it harder to break format in Word as XP and 03 did I will not like it. The more they try to idiot proof it, the harder it makes it for everyday users.

    At home I still use 2000 to avoid the format problems. One should not have to fight the software to write MLA, APA, or Chicago Style.
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    What the newer versions of Word need (in my opinion, anyway) is an option to turn off ANY and ALL "automation" and "assistance". Don't change any formatting settings automatically. Don't change my tab settings as I go based on what it "thinks" I want. Don't do any of that stuff. If I want a numbered list, I'll ask for one. Don't give me one otherwise. Yes, most of these things can be disabled individually. But it probably takes years of using Word to run across all of the more obscure ones and to get around to disabling them. Just give me an option to disable them across the board.

    Please, how hard can it be to have it do exactly what I tell it to do? Nothing more and nothing less. Word 3 did that just fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jschen
    What the newer versions of Word need (in my opinion, anyway) is an option to turn off ANY and ALL "automation" and "assistance". Don't change any formatting settings automatically. Don't change my tab settings as I go based on what it "thinks" I want. Don't do any of that stuff. If I want a numbered list, I'll ask for one. Don't give me one otherwise. Yes, most of these things can be disabled individually. But it probably takes years of using Word to run across all of the more obscure ones and to get around to disabling them. Just give me an option to disable them across the board.

    Please, how hard can it be to have it do exactly what I tell it to do? Nothing more and nothing less. Word 3 did that just fine.
    +500 zillion

    Word 5.1 is my all-time favourite Mac word processor, but the world has regrettably moved on. Versions of Office since then have just made me angry. I'm not making a list, you )*$(& paperclip! Since Word 5.1, I have yet to find a word processor that I really like, and I've tried a whole bunch. I've customised the toolbars in the most recent version to look like 5.1, but it's not really the same...

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    Open Office FTW

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    I never had the opportunity to use Word 5.1, though I hear it was great. Word 6 for Mac was a dog performance-wise, but it was the last version to not try to "think" for me (at least as long as I turned off all those "features"). I hated that it robbed background apps of so much power (for example, if I was editing a video in Premiere and editing a paper on the side), but most of the time, I was just typing, so it was okay. After all, how fast does a word processor have to be anyway? Yeah, it was a dog, but at least it was a well trained dog that did exactly what I told it to do. (Strangely, unlike most people, I found Word 6 to be very stable. I probably would have felt otherwise if it kept crashing on me.) Since then, it's been all downhill as usability has been sacrificed for the sake of "features".
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    Keep in mind what microsoft is doing with "newer" offices has a lot more to do with enterprise level work. How it interacts with communication server, project server, Sharepoint portal and owa (amongst many other options) is where you will see the new advantages. Otherwise, stick with the old stuff. If you are simply a home user you really have no point of reference to judge a product when most of its changes don't even apply to you...

    I haven't played with the 2007 stuff, I have no real interest at this point. I am beyond wanting to beta test anything. I usually wait till they become stables and have the matching server appliances to really utilize their power.

    In reality wordperfect in dos did everything anyone could want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jschen
    What the newer versions of Word need (in my opinion, anyway) is an option to turn off ANY and ALL "automation" and "assistance". Don't change any formatting settings automatically. Don't change my tab settings as I go based on what it "thinks" I want. Don't do any of that stuff. If I want a numbered list, I'll ask for one. Don't give me one otherwise. Yes, most of these things can be disabled individually. But it probably takes years of using Word to run across all of the more obscure ones and to get around to disabling them. Just give me an option to disable them across the board.

    Please, how hard can it be to have it do exactly what I tell it to do? Nothing more and nothing less. Word 3 did that just fine.
    You need to do a personal install. You can do all of those options at the install level. Personally as an admin, I would hate to see them remove those automations...they save me 20 calls a day asking how to bold something.

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    I didn't see any such options the last time I had to install Word (and I always look through the custom install options when I do any install), but I'll be sure to look for it again the next time I have to install. Thanks for the tip.
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    I could be speaking out of turn. It could be the version I have for building work pc's. Its not quite what you would get at home. You might want to look at a tool called ORK. It helps with building an MSI file that does custom attributes for office.

    http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/as...401701033.aspx

    Here is a quicky reference. There should be a version for every generation of office. Although with 2007 being beta, I doubt it would be available yet

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    Interesting... I'll have to look into it. Not now, though... I found the link to the ORK for Office 2004 (for Mac), but it's a dead link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbcb
    +500 zillion

    Word 5.1 is my all-time favourite Mac word processor, but the world has regrettably moved on. Versions of Office since then have just made me angry. I'm not making a list, you )*$(& paperclip! Since Word 5.1, I have yet to find a word processor that I really like, and I've tried a whole bunch. I've customised the toolbars in the most recent version to look like 5.1, but it's not really the same...
    The one thing I really liked about Word-5.1 was it let me have the option of a vertical toolbar on the left side of the screen. This lets me have more vertical real-estate for a full-page 8.5x11" sheet displayed on the screen without scrolling up & down, left & right all the time. None of the versions after that gave me that option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maelstrom
    You need to do a personal install. You can do all of those options at the install level. Personally as an admin, I would hate to see them remove those automations...they save me 20 calls a day asking how to bold something.
    If these idiots are asking how to bold something, WTF are they doing anywhere near a computer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stacey
    If these idiots are asking how to bold something, WTF are they doing anywhere near a computer?
    Thats nothing. I had one guy come up to work in catering from very far south. He didn't even know how to turn a computer on. We ended up buying him pc for dummies and office for dummies to get him to stop asking questions.

    Ironically within a year he ended up being one of the more self sufficient users haha

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    I had a guy call me for tech-support when Windows95 came out after getting the upgrade. He calls me up and says that it's not working. I asked him if he can see the StartButton and to push it. Yep, he finds it OK and pushes it... nothing... Go back and forth a couple more times... nothing. Turns out he was pushing the PICTURE of the StartButton on the BOX with his FINGER !!!!

    Another guy had picked up a demo CD we were passing out at a show. Went home and installed it, then called us for help. Seems like he did everything right, had taken the CD out of the case, stuck it in the computer, made sure it was right side up and everything. Hmm...nothing... can't even find the CD drive in WindowsExplorer... what's up? Turns out, the guy didn't even have a CD-player in his computer! He had taken the CD, trimmed it to 3.5" floppy-disc size with scissors and stuck it into his floppy drive !!!

    Along similar lines, we had demos on floppy discs as well, in both 3.5" and 5.25" sizes. Some guy picks up a 5.25" set, takes it home and can't get it to work. He had FOLDED UP the 5.25" floppies and stuffed it into his 3.5" drive! I guess these guys took "installing software" literally!

    Most people aren't this bad, but it really surprizes me that they even exist. Most people just have operational and training issues. Like many people using a computer like a typewriter. They'll edit and move paragraphs around by backspacing a couple thousand times to erase a paragraph, then re-type the whole thing somewhere else... Makes me think that the blonde-joke of using white-out on the monitor may not be a joke after all..

    Or there could be workflow & management issues. I had one office that brought me in to help them install a remote standalone networked printer. Ok, so we get a couple hundred-feet of CAT-5 cable and string it through a couple of walls. Then get a printer-server. Set up WinNT 3.0 with LPR printing and programme the printer-server. Fine, after all that, we move the printer from a station next to the copy-machines down the hallway next to the fax-machine. After all this work, we find out that they wanted to save time and be more efficient by reducing the distance that people would have to go after they printed out their documents, walk to the fax-machine, fax the document, then throw it in the trash...
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