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Old 08-17-06, 09:01 PM   #1
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How I love thee...

Michelin Pro2 Race Tires.

You are once again on the front and back of my bicycle and I am roaring through the twists and turns again with confidence. The snap is back when I come out of the saddle and you roll like a dream. Bless you Michelin for designing such a nice clincher tire for us speed freaks. At least the French can do something right besides wine. You even thought of designer colors for these masterpieces (red, blue, yellow, gray and light blue).
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Old 08-17-06, 09:06 PM   #3
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That great, huh? I'll have to try them sometime. My new wheelset will be running Specialized Mondo S-Works tires initially. Maybe when I wear out (or cut beyond repair) the Mondo Pros on my current wheelset, I'll give the Pro2 Race a shot. A bunch of people seem to say good things about them. How much do they typically run? What kind of mileage are you getting from them?
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Old 08-17-06, 09:12 PM   #4
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I have them on all three of my bikes now. Love them! The ones on my 5200 have almost 2k on them, but the rear is starting to get that squared off look. I put over 1,300 miles on the set on my 5000 (training bike) this season but then had a sharp piece of metal damage the rear tire beyond use. I think about 2k plus seems about right for me and I'm 195 lbs. They really do corner nice, have good traction and very low rolling resistance. The bike feels better now with the the Michelins front and back. My "near miss" last week was with a Bonty Race X Lite on the rear and I was a little tentative with the bike until I got a Pro2 back on it yesterday. Weeeeeee!
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Old 08-17-06, 09:15 PM   #5
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Sounds like reasonable wear to me. And they're cheaper than the Mondo S-Works. I'll have to give them a try.
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Yea....My LBS gave me two of them for $41 a piece. But $45 to $50 in LBS and around $35 or so online is about right.
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Mondo S-Works is $50/tire retail. So I guess about the same price. The main problem I have with the Mondo Pro is that while it's rather puncture resistant, when it does puncture, it cuts easily. I don't know if the S-Works variant is any better. But with the S-Works variant being 195g for a 23mm tire (claimed weight) and 170g for a 21mm tire, I somehow doubt it's any better about resisting cuts. I hope it's at least no worse, because otherwise, it could be a very expensive tire to run. But at least it should be FAST.

cycle17, would you recommend the Pro2 as a high performance rain tire or a rough terrain (REALLY bad pavement and/or packed dirt) tire? My current wheelset is going to become my backup wheelset, so if I try a set on this wheelset, it probably would mostly see rain and rough terrain.
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Old 08-17-06, 09:33 PM   #8
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i don't ride anything but pro race or race lights on my road bikes. those things rock. the lights are so fast but have no flat protection. good thing they're free
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JSC...The Pro2s are very durable IMO when used within reason. They are EXCELLENT in wet or damp conditions! But, since I never ride on dirt I can't attest to that. Rough pavement and chip seal...yea..we've got that a plenty around here. The Pro2s are good on rough pavement. Try a set at some point. If there Blue ones and you don't like them..I'll buy them from you.

As Mirona said...they rock!
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Awesome. Great damp/wet performance is exactly what I'm looking for in a new tire for my backup wheelset. Sometime soon, I'll put the Mondo Pros on the wheelset I'm giving my dad or my sister (whoever decides to take my Roubaix) and buy a set of Pro2's for my rain/rough road/backup wheelset. And hey, if I like it enough, I can always get a set for my primary wheelset, too.

I don't ride dirt either. I'm just thinking of a 10 mile stretch at Breathless Agony, a 12000 vertical foot century that I plan to try again next year. It's hard packed dirt that basically rides like endless potholes--or some people tell me it's like cobblestones, but I've never ridden cobblestones--conditions that I don't dare subject my incoming wheelset to.
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Hmmm...I'll have to file these tire recommendations away for when I need to replace the tires on my fixie and roadie. Oddly enough, the cheapo stock tires that came on my fixie are holding up fine to the daily stress of potholes, curb jumping, gravel, dirt, sand, cobblestones, trolley tracks, etc. The ones on my roadie show loss of air fairly quickly (a week or less) so they might get replaced first although I was thinking of Vittoria Rubinos to keep it all in the Italian family.
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Hi mirona!! How ya doing? Better? ((hugs)) Hope all is well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 09-05-06, 08:23 PM   #13
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I got my new wheelset (Rolf Prima Elan Aero) and Specialized Mondo S-Works tires this weekend. And because of cycle17's endorsement of the tires, I also picked up a set of Michelin Pro2 Race tires today (in red). I'm sure both the Mondo S-Works and the Pro2 Race are great tires, and I look forward to comparing them head to head to decide which I want to use on my primary wheelset and which I'll relegate to my backup wheelset (Mavic Ksyrium Equipe, currently tire-less).

If I can't decide, I'll probably use the Mondo S-Works on the Elan Aero just because it's lighter. But then, the red Michelins would look really nice with the silver Elan Aero. Argh. I can't decide. Hopefully, after some riding, I'll have some other means of deciding rather than trying to choose between a slight weight reduction and a flashier color combo. I really should have specified red stripes on the Mondo S-Works (yes, it was an option) in order to remove that variable. Oh well.
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Old 09-05-06, 08:32 PM   #14
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Cool! LEt me know what you think. I'll be very surprised if you don't llike them.

P.S. Just FYI but.....Start with the recommended psi inflation for your weight. But the Michelin rep for LBS says "unofficially", that PRO2 race tires can be inflated 5 lbs above what's stated max without any worries, since Michelin tends to be very cautious with their recommended max pressures for liability reasons.

A little firmer ride, but probably slightly faster on a flat course.

I'm interested in your thoughts on them JSC. And aren't the red ones snazzy lookin'?
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I'll be sure to report back. I have no doubt that I'll like them. It's just a matter of which I will like more. I suspect it will be a really tough decision, one that will require a few swaps of the tires before I decide one way or the other. And the decision likely will come down to differences in feel, not in performance. One thing's for sure, though: it will be fun finding out.

As for pressures, my typical inflation pressure is 100 psi front, 110 rear. At 138-ish pounds rider weight, that's already really high. To keep variables controlled, I'll be testing both tires at that inflation pressure.
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Old 09-06-06, 01:27 AM   #16
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I've swapped the wheels and for good measure, put in the tubes I intend to ultimately use. The most obvious difference is that the Michelins have some texture, whereas the Mondo is a true slick. Presumably, this texture will wear away, though, so over time, I expect the Michelins to become essentially true slicks. Also, the Michelins have a much more rounded profile, whereas Specialized flattens out the tire shape a bit on their Mondo and All-Condition tires. As those two tires are the only ones I've used extensively so far (the stock rear tire on the R3 got cut on my first Baldy descent), I can't really comment on how that may or may not affect anything. But in the past, I've attributed (without proof) some occasional disconcerting cornering feel in the Mondo Pro to the transition in the tire profile at different lean angles and/or the dual compound design. Oddly, I didn't feel that in 2500 miles on the All-Condition Pro (what originally came with the Roubaix), and I haven't felt it on the R3 on the Mondo Pro despite using the same set of Mondo Pros that used to be on my Roubaix. Nor have I felt it on my limited experience with the Mondo S-Works. Well, it just goes to show that all the parts have to work in synergy together, and that's why I'm testing the tires in as controlled a condition as possible to pick my favored tire.

By the way, I realized tonight I should get a valve extender. Switching to a shorter valved tube (they're a bit lighter, and hey, it looks better, too ), I can't pump up my tires with my floor pump anymore. Happily, I managed to pump them up with my Topeak Road Morph. Oh, and red tires with black stripes looks much sharper than the all black Mondos, or even how the ones with red stripes would look. I expect there will be some other differences to help me decide, though, and it probably won't come down to the color pattern.
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Old 09-06-06, 05:48 AM   #17
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Clinchers? We don't use no steenkeng clinchers.

Well, maybe if I ever buy a bike manufactured in the 21st century...
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JSC...The "powdery coating" on the Michelins will wear off after a ride or two and they will be true slicks. The rounded profile makes for sweeeet cornering and transitions in my humble opinion.

BDG....yellows would look nice on your Felt. May need an occasional cleaning though.
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Whilst I swear by Vittoria I decided to buy some Michelins (not Pro 2) yesterday for my commuter. I made the mistake of buying red. In the shop they looked fine but once I put them on my bike they are dead set the ugliest addition I have ever made to any of my bikes. I am spewin'. I should have stuck with black.
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I've been told about 100 times by Psimet2001 to pick up some Pro2's from probikekit when they are on sale for $27 with free shipping. I guess with all this good publicity, I may have to give them a shot.

My bike currently has a funky mismatch of a black Vittoria Action HSD on the front and a red sidewall Panaracer Stradius Pro on the back. Actually looks kind of cool with the blue frame.

Maybe I'll have to keep that same scheme when I get some Pro2's eventually....
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Now ya got me wanting to try a set. Cycle17, What was you opinion of the bonty race lites that come on the madone 5.2?

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cycle17, I wasn't referring to the powdery coating. I was able to rub much of it right off with my hands. Even with a section completely rubbed off, there remains a fine microtexture on the tire that the Mondo lacks. I assume that will wear out pretty soon, too, though.

Anyway, the red looks awesome with my bike. As for how the tires ride, my short ride today wasn't conducive to getting a feel for how they handle on fast descents, but so far, I do like them. They feel different from the Mondos, but I'm not sure which feel I prefer. The tire seems rather comfortable. The bike seems to roll side to side a bit more freely, most noticeably out of the saddle, probably because of the different profile of the tires. But after a mile or two, it also felt perfectly natural.

This is going to be a tough--but fun!--decision. I may have to descend a nice fun descent--Palomar or Baldy--on the two tires before I can decide.
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yep...I was refering to the powder that comes on them brand new also. It will rub off/or wear off within one to three rides and the micro pebbling you refer to will smooth out after a handful of rides as well. They do offer a supple, yet responsive ride for a clincher.
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Now ya got me wanting to try a set. Cycle17, What was you opinion of the bonty race lites that come on the madone 5.2?

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The Bontrager race lite is a good tire, but not in the same league as the Pro2 Race. I had them and racexlites on my 5200 at one point and now only use the Michelins. I had to thrown one of the bontys back on the rear temporarily when a piece of metal shredded my Pro2 and what a difference I noticed in handling, rolling and road feel.

The PR2R is a good tire in the wet as well. Hopefully, you don;t get caught in a rainstorm..but if you do, it's nice to have a tire with some wet weather grip.
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