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Old 09-09-06, 01:25 AM   #1
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NH/VT Please Help? (x-posted)

I got a call from my boss today asking me if I would be interested in running our distribution center in West Lebanon, NH.

While the thought is intriguing and I would get a raise, I am concerned about the cost of living up there. I live in Texas now and it is fairly low.

I did a COL comparison and it showed I would have to get a 33% raise to have the same standard of living if I move to West Lebanon, but only a 10% raise I were to live in Montpelier(with a 50 minute one way commute).

Can anyone give up there help give me some direction?
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Lecterman,
a few quick points.

1) It gets brrr sheeeit cold up there
2) did youcompare west lebanon to Dallas or Ponder?
3) It gets really cold in the winter
4) they have real hills/mountains/climbs unlike the overpasses here
5) New Hampshire/vermont averages about 865 feet of snow a winter
6) Average temps during the winter hover just above absolute zero

I would imagine that there are places between Montpelier and W. Lebanon
where one could live?

did I mention its gawdawful cold up there?
and if you go you gonna do the Mt. Washington hill climb?

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Beautiful country and very bike friendly
Rural
Cooler summers than Tx
Better snowskiing and snowshoing than TX!


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COLD, and I mean COLD winters!
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I live about an hour south of West Lebanon. Yes it gets cold up here. I never understood the logic of the cold/heat argument. If I am naked (not a pretty thought) sitting on a couch sweating like a pig, there is not much I can do about it. If I am cold I put a sweater on, simply as that. Sure riding season is cut short (if you don't want to ride in he winter which of course you can) but there are winter sports to make up for it. I am going to try my hand telemark skiing this year. Bet you can't do that in Texas. We get 2 weeks of real cold weather in the winter (overnight lows below 0) and 2 weeks of heat and humidity in the summer.

As for cost of living....milk is $2.50 a gallon. Gas 2.69 and dropping (for now). Sales tax 6%. Housing costs are higher I am sure. Property taxes are an issue up here. Heating costs are through the roof but no electricity needed for A/C (no A/C needed) Governments have to run....whether you pay taxes on food, clothing or property...IMHO taxes are high everywhere.....
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NH:

No Income Tax.
No Sales Tax.
Moderately high Property Tax.

4 Seasons. Yes, that includes winter which can be damn cold. But it's a far cry better than weeks on end of 100+ temps!!

Mountains, hills, leaves that change color vs just going brown and dropping in TX.

Friendly people... yes, I know everyone says Texans are friendly. When I lived there, I found that to be true. On the surface. But beyond a hello, no one gave a rat's ass really. So, superficial friendliness vs. true Yankee friendship (though you will have to overcome the stigma of being from TX).

"Don't mess with Texas"? Bah... how about "Live Free or Die"? Now THERE'S a slogan!!

Consistently some of the best public schools in the country if you have kids.

I have no idea how you came up with a 33% cost of living difference between TX and NH; that makes no sense at all. Are you sure you didn't make an error in entering your data?

Quality of life. That's a very subjective thing to evaluate. For me, living in TX sucked. But then, I'm from ME originally. Spent years in the Pacific NW. RI now. I like it up here. My windows are open today and there's a warm breeze blowing through my office. I'll be riding 25-30 miles home tonight on the road where drivers aren't completely psycho. In fact, they're quite courteous here. I haven't ridden road in NH, so I can't say if they are or not.

MTBing... TX vs NH? Do we even need to go there? Oh, and the Northeast Kingdom is nearby. (http://travelthekingdom.com/pages/ou...ategory=Biking, http://www.kingdomtrails.org). Google it.

Hunting (are you a hunter?): In TX, you get your lease, go set up a blind, put out nice feed stands and wait for some herd to come wandering by for you to take pot shots at. In New England, you go out into the woods and find the game, track it and take your shot, clean it and drag it out of the woods with you.

Skiing. Enough said.

Snowmobiling. Ditto.

All this plus career progression, too! And... if you miss BBQ, I can tell you about a place in Center Ossippie, NH that rivals any BBQ in TX! And I've been to Cooper's in Llano.
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Lecterman,
a few quick points.

1) It gets brrr sheeeit cold up there ( yep, no ****)
2) did youcompare west lebanon to Dallas or Ponder?
3) It gets really cold in the winter ( yep, feel like Im gonna lose and ear everytime I step out in the winter)
4) they have real hills/mountains/climbs unlike the overpasses here ( dont need to go over a curb to get a hill here )
5) New Hampshire/vermont averages about 865 feet of snow a winter ( yep, but one day of the year we are happy about it... Christmas))
6) Average temps during the winter hover just above absolute zero (see answer #3)

I would imagine that there are places between Montpelier and W. Lebanon
where one could live?

did I mention its gawdawful cold up there? ( ohh you have no idea , but it's breath taking, the poeple here actually talk to each other, crime rate is extremely low and although I feeze my butt off in the winter, what doesnt kill you makes you stronger and I would never move!)
and if you go you gonna do the Mt. Washington hill climb? (you forgot to mention it's friggen cold at the top )

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well my response to a fellow texan was extremely tongue in cheek
(don't tell folks down here but I live in Scituate Mass. for a while and
grew up in Poughkeepsie NY ).
I've been in 40 below so yah, I know cold.
people talk to each other here, and our ears don't fall off in winter,
we do however compensate by having Ice storms instead of snow and
some of the worlds worst winter drivers.
sure you can get barbeque up there but can you get good mexican?
I do have to admit I miss leaves turning colour. . .

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yes, Marty... I agree fall is definitly my favorite season here... mexican? well.. I love Margueritas restaurant but that is probably not the best in Mexican.
Winters are not that bad here if you take 4, 30 minutes showers a day just to thaw.
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yes, Marty... I agree fall is definitly my favorite season here... mexican? well.. I love Margueritas restaurant but that is probably not the best in Mexican.
Winters are not that bad here if you take 4, 30 minutes showers a day just to thaw.
Us old folks can't handle the cold...brrrrr
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Hi,
in winter that 50 minute commute would take over an hour. That just sucks.
I live 4 miles from work. You have some strong pros and cons to consider.
Rural NH is not exciting if you like cities; and Boston is 2 hours of driving away.
OTOH, you can learn hiking, skiing, backpacking,X-country skiing, flyfishing.
Hiking in the mountains in the fall when the leaves are brilliantly colored is wonderful. Skiing is a ton of fun. Spending the night on top of a mountain was
my favorite thing back when I could hike. I used to get up early, brew some of the best coffee you ever saw, put canned milk in it and drink it watching the sun come up. Magnificent.

There is some amazing cycling up here. But it will be a huge adjustment, the first winter will just be brutal. I suggest you get some real good winter clothes if you come, real good snow tires, and keep a shovel in the trunk along with a 50 lb bag of sand. Oh, and have somebody show you how to drive in snow. Every year
some place in the South gets a dusting of snow and the local news always shows it and we laugh our asses off at the way you guys slide all over.

Oh, if you like TexMex you will be like a junkie going through withdrawal and nobody will have a frakking clue what you're talking about when you complain.
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in winter that 50 minute commute would take over an hour. That just sucks.
I live 4 miles from work. You have some strong pros and cons to consider.
Rural NH is not exciting if you like cities; and Boston is 2 hours of driving away.
OTOH, you can learn hiking, skiing, backpacking,X-country skiing, flyfishing.
Hiking in the mountains in the fall when the leaves are brilliantly colored is wonderful. Skiing is a ton of fun. Spending the night on top of a mountain was
my favorite thing back when I could hike. I used to get up early, brew some of the best coffee you ever saw, put canned milk in it and drink it watching the sun come up. Magnificent.

There is some amazing cycling up here. But it will be a huge adjustment, the first winter will just be brutal. I suggest you get some real good winter clothes if you come, real good snow tires, and keep a shovel in the trunk along with a 50 lb bag of sand. Oh, and have somebody show you how to drive in snow. Every year
some place in the South gets a dusting of snow and the local news always shows it and we laugh our asses off at the way you guys slide all over.

Oh, if you like TexMex you will be like a junkie going through withdrawal and nobody will have a frakking clue what you're talking about when you complain.
lol! this made me laugh.. you are so right.. Im in a high tourists area and it distroys my summer but in the winter.. you better learn to enjoy the outdoors because as you said.. there is NOTHING going on!!!!!
I run the beach in the winter and I have learned to make friends with the seagulls, well... not that quite, but that's as much action as I see around here in the winter!
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Nothing like biking in the winter...gotta love the black ice! Only fell 3 times last year.
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some of the worlds worst winter drivers.
Or just some of the worlds worst drivers... at any time of the year.

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sure you can get barbeque up there but can you get good mexican?
No... you have a point on that one. Best you can get up here is average (at best) mexican.
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The good points have already been made. Montpelier may be the capital but it's not a big city at all, and commuting 50 miles in the winter could be.... Unpleasant...

It's not THAT cold here in the winter. Jeez guys. It's, what, 50 degrees warmer than Saskatoon? Heh heh.
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Don't go for the 50 minute commute..................

Ask for more money
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Thanks to everyone for your responses.

It's pretty much all my wife and I talked about this weekend. We have unofficially decided to take the offer and move to NH. My boss is very cool and has told me that he will send my wife and I to NH to visit and see what we think before I have to give him my final decision.So, I look forward to visiting up there, and the eventual move.

It will be a really good career move for me, and so I think it is the best thing.
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Or just some of the worlds worst drivers... at any time of the year.
depends on what you're used to. I truely think there are worse drivers in
different states. At least here the soccer moms and pickup cowboys are predictable
(to me), a little old lady in Fla or a good ol' boy from bar harbour isn't.

Winter here and all bets are off.
4 wheel drive does not make for better control on 1/2 inch of ice.

Yes as I get older I have less tolerance for cold.

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34 degrees this morning when I left for work. There was frost in the valley (I live sbout 500 ft higher than the town.) Winter is around the corner but first the Leaf and Taint Seasons.....you will learn about the 7 seasons.....
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74 degrees this morning when I stumbled outside to let the dog out.

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Thanks to everyone for your responses.

It's pretty much all my wife and I talked about this weekend. We have unofficially decided to take the offer and move to NH. My boss is very cool and has told me that he will send my wife and I to NH to visit and see what we think before I have to give him my final decision.So, I look forward to visiting up there, and the eventual move.

It will be a really good career move for me, and so I think it is the best thing.
warning! youll be visiting in the most breath taking time... fall.. youll fall in love!
If you guys move there, you and your wife are welcome to ride with me someday!
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BDG,

Thanks for the offer, we will definitely take you up on it.

Any advice as far as housing? If we buy a home up there, we would would like to keep it below $150k. I know that limits us to mostly mobile homes or townhouses/condos.

Since I do not plan to be up there for the long term (probably no more than 2-3 years, I am also considering renting.

I percieve the advantage to being in an apartment or condo is that in the cold months it is easier to heat ($ wise) because you are surrounded by other units and the collective radiant heat helps your unit stay warm easier than if you are in a standing alone dwelling.

Is that accurate?

Additionally, is it an advantage to have an AWD vehicle rather than FWD with all the snow up there?
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You will find reasonnable housing away from the beach and away from the lakes. NH can be pretty costly as well. Where I am from, you could not even buy a condo for 150. the avarege house is about 350 and that's at the bottom.
I never beleived in renting so that's a personnal choice, why throw away your money when you can invest and btw real estates have gained in value in NH and are still going up.
I know that it must be scary weather wise to move here, but you must be awared that actually last winter was pretty mild, cant talk for this coming winter but if it is the same, you wont find it that bad. I sold my last car because it was front wheel drive, It was good for nothing in the snow.
Heating cost? yep... costly, I have a pellet stove in my house and heat of course! but sure, i use it as much as I can to try and save, From december thru february are your toughest months.
Ive live here for a while and every fall I always say "how am i going to get used to this?' but we seem to always get through, so will you.
I have to be honest with you, it's going to be a shock to your culture when you move here. It was to me.
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