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Old 09-10-06, 05:36 PM   #1
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Is this a crime?

Say such a situation occured...

There is a father and mother, who have three kids. Financially, family is well off (household income of ~150k/year).

Asthma runs in the family. So mother has it, Daughter A (10 years old), and Son A (14 years old) has it. They all have inhalers, and go to biannual medical checkups for it. However, Daughter B (17) also had it. It was mild at first, but has progressively gotten more severe.
Daughter B asks for medical assistance, but is denied by the parents.

Is this a crime of any sort?
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Old 09-10-06, 05:39 PM   #2
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Not sure. Give your state Dept of Health a call. I presume these are the same folks who run off and leave $50.00 for the kids to fend for themselves for a week?
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I'm not a lawyer, but since she's still a minor the 'rentals are still responsible for her health I'm thinking yes
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OH no, I hope this isn't still your poor girlfriend. Call the same place that we gave you the number to, phantom.
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So like. . . you are seriously looking for legal advice in the Foo Lounge of Bike Forums?

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Strong possibility of neglect. It depends on what state. Here in Indiana, we had a church called "Faith Assembly", formerly known as the "Glory Barn". They advocated no medical treatment and some children dies because of it. The parents were successfully prosecuted.
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Old 09-10-06, 05:51 PM   #7
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Seriously, if these are the same idiotic parents you were talking about before, I'm fairly certain this is illegal, unless she is one of those rare minors who has successfully "divorced" their parents. When she and your girlfriend turn 18, they need to run as far away from these idiots as fast as they can.
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Say such a situation occured...

There is a father and mother, who have three kids. Financially, family is well off (household income of ~150k/year).

Asthma runs in the family. So mother has it, Daughter A (10 years old), and Son A (14 years old) has it. They all have inhalers, and go to biannual medical checkups for it. However, Daughter B (17) also had it. It was mild at first, but has progressively gotten more severe.
Daughter B asks for medical assistance, but is denied by the parents.

Is this a crime of any sort?
Umm 17? I don't think so. 17 is usually the standard "coming of age" whereupon you are capable of going on your own - in which case you are no longer your parent's responsibility. It would seem kind of odd, however being a member of a fmaily with 5 kids, what one person says and what actually happens in the family and the actual relationship, expensies involved, strain etc are much different and very well could lead up to this.

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It's a good thing aphorisms like this don't really apply to the parent/child relationship, though. Children are supposed to rely on their parents, and it's a pity that sometimes the state has to get involved to enforce something even a sensible animal knows.
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It's a good thing aphorisms like this don't really apply to the parent/child relationship, though. Children are supposed to rely on their parents, and it's a pity that sometimes the state has to get involved to enforce something even a sensible animal knows.
Ummm
She's 17. If a child can leave voluntarily at any time then that pretty much makes them an actual adult responsible for themselves. And it sounds like she is living on her own and it also sounds like she has a job.
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She's 17. If a child can leave voluntarily at any time then that pretty much makes them an actual adult responsible for themselves.
I'm fairly certain that one is no longer a minor at 18 years of age, at least in this state.


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And it sounds like she is living on her own and it also sounds like she has a job.
Where in this post where these two supposed "facts" implied?
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Say such a situation occured...

There is a father and mother, who have three kids. Financially, family is well off (household income of ~150k/year).

Asthma runs in the family. So mother has it, Daughter A (10 years old), and Son A (14 years old) has it. They all have inhalers, and go to biannual medical checkups for it. However, Daughter B (17) also had it. It was mild at first, but has progressively gotten more severe.
Daughter B asks for medical assistance, but is denied by the parents.

Is this a crime of any sort?
Sounds to me like the parents are well off, and punishing their daughter for something. Even if she is working, (which seems to have materialized from nowhere,) how many working 17 year olds do you know who can even afford health care?
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I know of cases in which a family has denied their child medical care in favor of trying "faith healing" and other non-medical treatments for a condition that was common and treatable. The Supreme Court has ruled in such cases that the first amendment doesn't allow parents to avoid punishment for criminal negligence by saying their negligence was part of a religious practice.

I would imagine that if daughter b's asthma was severe enough that this would qualify as negligence (since the parents are aware of it) and thus child abuse. Many times courts will say that the child is still the parents' responsibility until they are finished with high school.
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Say such a situation occured...

There is a father and mother, who have three kids. Financially, family is well off (household income of ~150k/year).

Asthma runs in the family. So mother has it, Daughter A (10 years old), and Son A (14 years old) has it. They all have inhalers, and go to biannual medical checkups for it. However, Daughter B (17) also had it. It was mild at first, but has progressively gotten more severe.
Daughter B asks for medical assistance, but is denied by the parents.

Is this a crime of any sort?
daughter b (17) is old enough to speak for herself or even drive herself to the doc? if not, daughter b can also mention this to her school nurse who will question why noone is taking her to the doc, and once school is involved... well... that solves your problem since the family of daughter b wont have a choice into taking her if school says so or here comes the social services.
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I'm fairly certain that one is no longer a minor at 18 years of age, at least in this state.
same law in NH..18
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Shhh, quiet. You'll mess with TG's Libertarian fantasies of throwing his kids to the proverbial wolves, so they end up as architects and supreme court justices in the long run.
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Weird... sounds like the parents make sufficient income to easily take care of 3 kids. The latest meds can be pricey, like $400 for a supply of Advair that lasts about 1-month. But I haven't found that stuff to work any better than a generic prednisone inhaler. I think it's partly a racket in the medical industry to sell you the latest and greatest drugs and rake in larger profits.

While I always advocate self-sufficiency, there's way more than enough money in this country to provide for some basic healthcare and social services. In this case, the parents alone can take are of this kid.

What's going on with this family? Some kind of grudge fight between the kids & oldest daughter? She's not leading her life or going out with gentlemen that the parents "approve"???
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The school has already found out, thanks to a few people hounding the guidance counselor. I guess a social worker is coming every week to visit. Things seem to be getting more serious, apparently the guidance counselor expects legal action to be taken. Complicated situations right now
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What's going on with this family? Some kind of grudge fight between the kids & oldest daughter? She's not leading her life or going out with gentlemen that the parents "approve"???
Haha, the parents disapprove of me because they claim she has "gotten more difficult" since we have been together. Maybe its because I made it apparent that her life situation was NOT normal.
I have no idea why this happens, that the oldest daughter is so neglected. Even the doctor for a shoulder injury she had was startled by this, and has suspicion. TO me, there is NO excuse not to take care of all medical problems with their kids. The father makes at least 150k, has a very attractive insurance plan. They go out to eat once a week, and will have had 4 vacations this year. Including a 2 week "relive the honeymoon" cruise in Hawaii.
THat physical therapy bill must be a killer
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Ever read A Child Called It? Read it. You may not understand the horrors of child abuse, but you'll see how sick parents can appear happy, but behind closed doors they are really the opposite.
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Haha! IM kidding!!!!

I think it would be, although she is under 18, but still she could call the parent abuse hotline or whatever its called and that would be considered abuse.
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Yesh it is, that kid is under 18. So it is the parents right to take of/support their child til they turn 18. Bottom line, and they make 150 grand a year. What the hell .
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