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Old 10-05-06, 02:38 PM   #1
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Website - new layout. How's it look Foo-sters

http://thecuda.com/index2.asp

I made the header image out of several of my pictures from organized rides. I'm sure I have some broken links, but hopefully I'll get most of my pages converted in the next few weeks.
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The only thing that would make it better is........
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It's too wide.
and there needs to be some padding around the containers. People don't like reading text that goes on and on, especially when the font is small and people don't like to see text run into walls
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Is that Christopher Walken in an Uncle Sam suit?
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It's too wide.
and there needs to be some padding around the containers. People don't like reading text that goes on and on, especially when the font is small and people don't like to see text run into walls
Or break it up into two-columns.

Anyway, it looks pretty good to me. I applaud you for using tables that adjust themselves to the window-size. Let's me see it on my laptop with small screen without having to scroll horizontally back & forth. Neck gets tired looking back & forth like watching a fast tennis match...
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Old 10-05-06, 03:20 PM   #6
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It's not bad, but I agree on the bumper space around the edges!
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Is that Christopher Walken in an Uncle Sam suit?
It appeared to be when I stole it from another site. BTW Foo Rats, I ride with Cuda on a reg. basis, hence my flippant response. I will tell him how I really feel about him and his miserable site after he drops me on the next climb.
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Thanks for the suggestion. I agree on the padding. I have the text justified and it does really just run into a wall because of that. Splitting it into columns is an interesting thought.

edit: A quick fix attempt on the first page, set the "blocktext" to a depth of 1. Probably not the best solution, but it does look better for now.

edit2: ok, that's better, I set the table's padding to '10' Maybe a bit much for the small cells up top, but the main text looks better.

question - should I increase the text font to 12 vs the current 10?

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12 would be nice. And you can set cellpadding on a cell by cell basis, it dosen't have to be global.
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I went back to 12pt. I agree it looks better. I got most of my bike's pages converted now.
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Have you tried removing the table borders, or making them thinner? It might make the page look a bit cleaner. You could just do:
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<table border="0">
or for a thin line something like:
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<table style="border: 1px black solid;">
The border doesn't have to be "solid" -- I like the look of "dotted" borders sometimes. Anyway, I'm not sure how it would look, but it might be something to fool around with.
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either add 2 columns or get rid of the width. It's hard to read at 1000 and on my widescreen laptop its even worse people dont wanna read a sentence that is a whole monitor wide Few websites should ever exceed 800-1000 wide with at least one or 2 menu columns on left/right
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I agree with TG -- and sorry Danno, I don't think automatically resizing tables are a great idea. Set a specific width for the table, but make sure it's not so wide that someone browsing in a lower resolution (say, 800x600) is going to have to scroll horizontally all the time -- though it's probably safe these days to assume a minimum resolution of 1024x768. Anyway, you shouldn't be afraid of short lines of text -- I've read that 70ish characters per line is about ideal for long text blocks, though you can tweak that to suit your page's specific needs.
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Well, I just like to have 4 windows open at all times with about 1" of each peeking through on the edges. Depending on upon which monitor it's displayed on, no window is going to be a pre-determined fixed width. Then I just flip between them quickly. Sometimes, I'll tile them with no overlap, 4 windows per screen. With dual-screens, that's 8 windows of varying sizes. I just hate scrolling horizontally...
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I can't read horizontally. And most of the world can't which is why just about everything we read has a limited width in character. If something you create is wider then the average book or the average website you are encroaching upon a user's comfortable level.

It would be nice if people did cool things with Javascript such that if say they saw that the user had his browser set to 600 wide then it would auto hide the left and/or right menu and then just display an icon so the user could toggle it back. And if the user resized it to 800+ then it would unhide it and go to normal width.
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Well, I just like to have 4 windows open at all times with about 1" of each peeking through on the edges. Depending on upon which monitor it's displayed on, no window is going to be a pre-determined fixed width. Then I just flip between them quickly. Sometimes, I'll tile them with no overlap, 4 windows per screen. With dual-screens, that's 8 windows of varying sizes. I just hate scrolling horizontally...
Yeah I usually have my browsers at 800-900 wide except for when they are on the 3rd monitor which is rotated 90 degrees in which case it sometimes is not so wide but often times much taller since mine is rotated 90 degrees .
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How about changing the font to verdana, that always reads well on screen. Also I think the masthead should span the length of your page, right now it looks a little off balance.
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Needs work.

Right now the layout screams "hey, Frontpage is free and lookee what I did" from a design/organizational standpoint.

The content obviously appeals to a very narrow audience .
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I can't read horizontally. And most of the world can't which is why just about everything we read has a limited width in character. If something you create is wider then the average book or the average website you are encroaching upon a user's comfortable level.

It would be nice if people did cool things with Javascript such that if say they saw that the user had his browser set to 600 wide then it would auto hide the left and/or right menu and then just display an icon so the user could toggle it back. And if the user resized it to 800+ then it would unhide it and go to normal width.
Here's a cool layout for easy reading regardless of screen/window size. Note how the outside columns are fixed-width and the middle-column adjusts for window-width: monodogo blog

Another observation on Cuda's layout. It appears that the style (colors scheme, button-shapes, fonts, etc.) varies between the different sections. Like some sections have a white background while others a blue. I'm not sure what kind of an impression it gives me, but it didn't seem cohesive.

I really like the index "Best of BikeForums". Helps saves me time on endless searches here.
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How about changing the font to verdana, that always reads well on screen. Also I think the masthead should span the length of your page, right now it looks a little off balance.
Lucida Sans, baby!

Verdana's not bad, but Lucida Sans is better (IMHO). Either one would look friendlier than Times New Roman. Don't believe the lie that "sans-serif is sans-class."
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I've always found that 'tablewidth=80%' works good for me visually
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I've always found that 'tablewidth=80%' works good for me visually
Ick, tables are for tabular data. CSS is for layout.

By the time I've looked at your page, cuda, it's all fixed up! So I have nothing useful to add. Just that the text in the left column menu occasionally extends past the border of the menu.
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Thanks all for the suggestions and comments. Yeah, the content is fairly narrow, but eh, its what I want to put on my page. I'm going to work on it some more in the next few weeks and tweak it some more and play with some different ideas. School's starting to kick into high gear so it'll be a while till I get all of the pages converted. But I do think it's a step forward from the blue look I had going originally.

Oh, and yeah, the font change is certainly on the list of things to do. I agree that there are fonts far nicer than Times New Roman, esp for web pages.
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Cool-- good luck in school and let us know when the final version is up!
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