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    How Are You With Sarcasm?

    Quick question from a noob/lurker.

    I verbally blasted my supervisor today. A couple months ago, I did the same thing with one of our engineers. Normally, I get along REAL well with everybody, despite being a tad "ornery". Of course, I apologized within 10 minutes, but I was bothered about why I did it. I realized in both cases, that it was a sarcastic comment that set me off. Man, I can take a lot of abuse generally, but something about sarcasm just pushes me over the edge.

    How about you? Any thoughts on why that particular type of insult would be so irksome?

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    I speak in a monotone, and have a lot of unblinking eye contact when I speak, so most people can't tell when I'm being sarcastic.

    I would have to hear the comment and know the context of the situatuon. Most sarcasm isn't intended as an insult, but if done right it's a powerful tool for satire. How were you insulted? Perhaps sarcasm isn't the right word for what irks you.
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    sarcasm is for p***ies

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    Sarcasm bugs me because it's dishonest, frankly. I don't blow up though. It bugs me more when someone doesn't bring forth an issue (at work) and then I find out that there -is- one. Sorta a roundabout insult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarr
    Sarcasm bugs me because it's dishonest, frankly.
    Dishonest?
    Frankly, I think irony and sarcasm is often the only way to cut through bullchit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarr
    Sarcasm bugs me because it's dishonest, frankly. I don't blow up though. It bugs me more when someone doesn't bring forth an issue (at work) and then I find out that there -is- one. Sorta a roundabout insult.
    Again, that's not sarcasm.

    I don't think the OP means sarcasm either. What do you think the definition of sarcasm is? Look it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bikepacker67
    Dishonest?
    Frankly, I think irony and sarcasm is often the only way to cut through bullchit.
    Absolutely.

    It is also often the quickest way to measure intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarr
    Sarcasm bugs me because it's dishonest, frankly. I don't blow up though. It bugs me more when someone doesn't bring forth an issue (at work) and then I find out that there -is- one. Sorta a roundabout insult.
    I guess it depends upon the context. A lot of whimpy people snipe through sarcasm. Let's them get a jab in because it's 50/50/50 serious/sarcasm/humor so they can always back out of it in several ways if they get caught...

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    In any conflicts, it is always best to take the high road. Think before you act. Many times, I have the urge attack right the way but learned not to react right the way. But the best thing to do is take your time to think about it before acting on it. To some people, sarcasm is the norm. Is your boss always sarcastic? Hope you smooth things out.

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    hummm...depends... sarcarms is sometimes anger or hate towards someone and the person thinks it's now OK to say cause they call it just a sarcastic joke..
    true sarcarms not meant to offend can be very funny..
    but like I always say, witts should amuse... not abuse...

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    People who are annoyed by sarcasm are most often those not smart enough to pick up on the subtleties of the English language. They feel something going over their head but they are not sure what it is... so it makes them feel powerless and vulnerable. As a result they lash out with anger and namecalling to try to regain some of their power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Koll
    People who are annoyed by sarcasm are most often those not smart enough to pick up on the subtleties of the English language. They feel something going over their head but they are not sure what it is... so it makes them feel powerless and vulnerable. As a result they lash out with anger and namecalling to try to regain some of their power.
    It must be quite a burden to be so intelligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LateNite
    It must be quite a burden to be so intelligent.
    Knowledge of the English language doesn't require great intelligence, just competence.

    It's sad how proponents for language get flamed so often on messageboards, a written medium.

    That wasn't even a great example of sarcasm, btw. Snarky bit*hing is not sarcasm, as I stated before.

    See: Explody Pup and SaabFan for better real-world examples.

    Sarcasm is just stating what is absurdly obvious or ironic with a straight face and no laugh track.
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    A couple months ago, I asked our engineer for a print for a particular operation on a part. He argued there was no "operation" for that step, and that a print wasn't needed. I had an operator waiting for a print, but he said, "If he could make the first half, then he has enough info to make the second, don't you think?" I didn't even know the guy very well, but that pissed me off, and I asked just as sarcastically, why the operator was asking for a print, then? Both of us knew the answer to each other's question. Having the second print is an ISO mandated formality, and the operator is required to have it.

    Today, I had to leave a "mess" to take care of something more pressing. While doing that, my supervisor asked if there was a problem, and why the mess was there? Told him what caused it, and that I'd get to it ASAP. He stalks off muttering, "I'll clean it up, then..." Now, depending on the tone of voice, that could be taken as doing me a favor, or in this case, massive sarcasm. He's always sarcastic, but not usually with me. He picked a bad day to push that button!

    Didn't occur to me till afterward, there was that common thread between the two incidents. Somehow I feel justified in my response. No excuse for going over the top, but snide/smart ass remarks are obviously trying to illicit some kind of reaction, right?
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    I guess I wouldn't label that a sarcastic comment. I would have been pissed by that attitude too and gone off on him or at least confronted him.

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    I'm the king of more than termites.....I've been told zillions of times I'm the master/king of sarcasm. I guess its mostly because I'm NEVER serious.
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    - it's pretty well established that Hitler was an *******.

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    Guess I should point out the fact that he is VERY busy. As he said after I apologized, "It's a circus here." There were 101 more important things for him to do, before taking care of that. The fact that he would take it upon himself to handle it, was the sarcastic point.

    Nothing wrong with sarcasm when used humorously. I enjoy a good laugh as much as anybody. When used as a jab though, it seems to set me off. Just found that out today, and will be more aware of it in the future, but I'm not quite sure how I'll handle it differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LateNite
    It must be quite a burden to be so intelligent.
    nice use of sarcasm!
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingTermite
    I'm the king of more than termites.....I've been told zillions of times I'm the master/king of sarcasm. I guess its mostly because I'm NEVER serious.
    I think of you as more the Queen of Sarcasm.

    Your comments can be such a drag!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PenguinDeD
    nice use of sarcasm!
    what happend to your cool sig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serendipper
    Knowledge of the English language doesn't require great intelligence, just competence.

    It's sad how proponents for language get flamed so often on messageboards, a written medium.
    I wasn't flaming him for being a proponent of language, but for his haughty assumption that "People who are annoyed by sarcasm are most often those not smart enough to pick up on the subtleties of the English language. They feel something going over their head but they are not sure what it is... ." I feel that people are usually annoyed by sarcasm because it's rude, condescending and meant to hurt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serendipper
    That wasn't even a great example of sarcasm, btw. Snarky bit*hing is not sarcasm, as I stated before.
    http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sarcasm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm
    From the definitions at both sites it would appear that "Snarky bit*hing" is a an excellent descrition of sarcasm.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serendipper
    See: Explody Pup and SaabFan for better real-world examples.

    Sarcasm is just stating what is absurdly obvious or ironic with a straight face and no laugh track.
    That's what I usually call dry humor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornery
    How about you? Any thoughts on why that particular type of insult would be so irksome?

    I find haughty condescending people irksome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Koll
    I find haughty condescending people irksome.
    Oh! Do tell...we like to be amused by the proletariat from time to time. Intellectuals can be so boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ornery
    He stalks off muttering, "I'll clean it up, then..." Now, depending on the tone of voice, that could be taken as doing me a favor, or in this case, massive sarcasm.

    Nope, not sarcasm. Passive aggressive? Heck yeah. Sarcastic? Nope.

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