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Old 10-30-06, 03:54 PM   #1
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An incident of road rage.

On the way to drop my wife off at work, and then to drop my two girls off at daycare afterwards, I had to change lanes in order to get into the left turn lane at the next intersection. Although I used my blinker and there was room for me to cut in front of this pickup truck, the dude driving the pickup was angered by my move. He honked his horn immediately, and then at the intersection, he pulled up beside me, rolled down his window, flicked me off, and used a variety of vulgarities. My instinctual, and most likely flawed, reaction was to do the same, which subsequently led to him making an illegal left hand turn as I was turning left, and since the new lane was a one car lane, pushed me into the opposing traffic’s lane. Fortunately, there was no traffic in that lane at that moment. He rolled down his window and through the passenger window of my vehicle we carry on a short yet disgruntled conversation, whereby I state I had to change lanes, he states vulgarities, and I ultimately return vulgarities. He had a cup of coffee in hand, so I anticipated he would throw it into our car, I quickly rolled up the passenger window, flicked him off again, and drove on. He continued to drive his truck in an aggressive and threatening manner, maneuvering it so as to ram me or run me off the road. He managed to run me onto a bit of sidewalk as I was pulling in to my wife's work. He continued to maneuver his vehicle as though he were intending to ram me as I was pulling up to the front door of my wife’s work to let her out. My wife freaked out, but I told her to just go to work. As she was getting out, he got out of his vehicle and approached my window and proceeded to question my driving skills, especially with two children in the car. I just shook my head in disagreement. The guy started to walk away and that’s when I stuck my head out the window to say “I apologize”. At that moment another dude in another car which just pulled up next to mine, who apparently witnessed the whole matter, said “Don’t apologize to that Mother******!”. The dude continued walking to his car and got in. I proceeded to leave the parking lot, just as he did, and he successfully managed to cut me off in the process. At first I wasn’t going to let him, but figured I’d give it to him just to avoid any further confrontation.

I had made a note of his license plate just in case things got uglier. I apparently have at least one witness, although I saw a bunch of my wife’s fellow coworkers walking in to work, who must have witnessed some of it, if not certainly the part where I apologize unnecessarily, which I regret. The guy looked like a biker-dude and his license plate was a vanity plate which references a type of motorcycle.

I don’t think individuals with an explosive aggressive behavior like his should be roaming the streets. Therefore, what offenses could this guy likely be charged with if I report this case to the police? He was wise enough to ensure no damage was done to my vehicle or his, although how he maneuvered his vehicle could have certainly led to a number of dangerous situations involving my car, other cars, and/or pedestrians. Is there a problem because I did not report it immediately?
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I want to feel bad, really I do, but why were you egging him on by yelling back and flipping him off? Why is daddy using bad words?
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I want to feel bad, really I do, but why were you egging him on by yelling back and flipping him off? Why is daddy using bad words?
Agreed, That escalated the situation. Not that it wasn't a natural reaction, but sometimes, nowadays, normal actions aren't safe! People are under more pressure now and often much closer to the snapping point. Think of he had decided to pull a gun, for example.
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you really didn't handle that well. next time take the high road, especially with the kids in the car. be safe out there...there are some real nut jobs driving around.

i once gave a guy the bird and he cut in front of me, slammed on the brakes, and jumped out with a baseball bat. he stood there waving it at me, and i just held up my hand to indicate "easy there big fella". i stayed in my car fully ready to mow him down if he charged at me. not so good overall.
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Wait you said you had enough room to cut in front of the truck? So your saying you cut him off?
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There is but one answer for that kind of crap: 9-1-1.
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If you had a gun you could have just shot him right at the start and avoided any further confrontation.
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On the way to drop my wife off at work, and then to drop my two girls off at daycare afterwards, I had to change lanes in order to get into the left turn lane at the next intersection. Although I used my blinker and there was room for me to cut in front of this pickup truck, the dude driving the pickup was angered by my move. He honked his horn immediately, and then at the intersection, he pulled up beside me, rolled down his window, flicked me off, and used a variety of vulgarities. My instinctual, and most likely flawed, reaction was to do the same, which subsequently led to him making an illegal left hand turn as I was turning left, and since the new lane was a one car lane, pushed me into the opposing traffic’s lane. Fortunately, there was no traffic in that lane at that moment. He rolled down his window and through the passenger window of my vehicle we carry on a short yet disgruntled conversation, whereby I state I had to change lanes, he states vulgarities, and I ultimately return vulgarities. He had a cup of coffee in hand, so I anticipated he would throw it into our car, I quickly rolled up the passenger window, flicked him off again, and drove on. He continued to drive his truck in an aggressive and threatening manner, maneuvering it so as to ram me or run me off the road. He managed to run me onto a bit of sidewalk as I was pulling in to my wife's work. He continued to maneuver his vehicle as though he were intending to ram me as I was pulling up to the front door of my wife’s work to let her out. My wife freaked out, but I told her to just go to work. As she was getting out, he got out of his vehicle and approached my window and proceeded to question my driving skills, especially with two children in the car. I just shook my head in disagreement. The guy started to walk away and that’s when I stuck my head out the window to say “I apologize”. At that moment another dude in another car which just pulled up next to mine, who apparently witnessed the whole matter, said “Don’t apologize to that Mother******!”. The dude continued walking to his car and got in. I proceeded to leave the parking lot, just as he did, and he successfully managed to cut me off in the process. At first I wasn’t going to let him, but figured I’d give it to him just to avoid any further confrontation.

I had made a note of his license plate just in case things got uglier. I apparently have at least one witness, although I saw a bunch of my wife’s fellow coworkers walking in to work, who must have witnessed some of it, if not certainly the part where I apologize unnecessarily, which I regret. The guy looked like a biker-dude and his license plate was a vanity plate which references a type of motorcycle.

I don’t think individuals with an explosive aggressive behavior like his should be roaming the streets. Therefore, what offenses could this guy likely be charged with if I report this case to the police? He was wise enough to ensure no damage was done to my vehicle or his, although how he maneuvered his vehicle could have certainly led to a number of dangerous situations involving my car, other cars, and/or pedestrians. Is there a problem because I did not report it immediately?
Sorry about that. I'll try to refrain from that next time.
BTW 2 adults acting like a kids, as kids we learned that it didn't matter who started the fight or who did "something worse". It doesn't matter here.
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Thank you all for your input. Indeed, those who pointed it out are 100% correct. I should not have fanned the fire. I found a web site that recommends making a big sign that says "SORRY", which you display immediately after cutting someone off, in the event they don't take it lightly, as this guy didn’t.

Interestingly, people have always cut me off, as I do them, but neither me nor most other people ever have any emotion as a result of it. And those who do, as this guy did initially, never take it as far as this guy did. He took it to a whole new level!

Indeed, daddy shouldn’t be using bad words. Funny though, looking back at childhood growing up in Miami, my dad would do the same thing, except in Spanish, which made the whole situation a whole lot funnier. Apparently, the equivalent to “Honk at your mother!” is a serious insult in Spanish.

Although I anticipated the responses received, interestingly, no one addressed the original question I asked, and perhaps for good reason. This dude would likely get charged with reckless endangerment, or reckless driving. However, as these are relatively minor offenses, and this guy already appears to have a few screws loose, although unlikely, I would make my family and myself vulnerable to any further retaliation this individual might have as a result. So, this whole ordeal will simply sit as a lesson learned for interests sake.

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Old 10-30-06, 07:37 PM   #11
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Thank you all for your input. Indeed, those who pointed it out are 100% correct. I should not have fanned the fire. I found a web site that recommends making a big sign that says "SORRY", which you display immediately after cutting someone off, in the event they don't take it lightly, as this guy didn’t.

Interestingly, people have always cut me off, as I do them, but neither me nor most other people ever have any emotion as a result of it. And those who do, as this guy did initially, never take it as far as this guy did. He took it to a whole new level!

Indeed, daddy shouldn’t be using bad words. Funny though, looking back at childhood growing up in Miami, my dad would do the same thing, except in Spanish, which made the whole situation a whole lot funnier. Apparently, the equivalent to “Honk at your mother!” is a serious insult in Spanish.

Although I anticipated the responses received, interestingly, no one addressed the original question I asked, and perhaps for good reason. This dude would likely get charged with reckless endangerment, or reckless driving. However, as these are relatively minor offenses, and this guy already appears to have a few screws loose, although unlikely, I would make my family and myself vulnerable to any further retaliation this individual might have as a result. So, this whole ordeal will simply sit as a lesson learned for interests sake.
In today's world both parties may be charged with road rage - really depends upon how badly your city/state/county cracks down on it, who witnessed it and the cop that took the report. It's generally a lose-lose situation - especially if somebody decides to take it a step further with a gun or some other lethal action so it's usually best not to comfort one'self with the knowledge that "he would have been in the wrong"
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Old 10-30-06, 07:40 PM   #12
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There really isn't much you can do. I've talked to officers before, and they say that they pretty much can't do anything unless they are there or something happens like a collision.

Just remember that the truck that man is driving is a weapon. Most people wouldn't think about mouthing off to the guy pointing a gun at them and their family. It's not worth it.
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Why is A&S infiltrating Foo?
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I had a somewhat similar incident. I knew I had to move into the left lane, so I signaled, checked my blind spot (2-3 cars lengths open ahead and behind), and started to move over. This guy in a pickup behind me starts honking his horn and accellerating hard, so I'm like "what the heck" and cut into the spot before he can close it up. He proceeds to ride my bumper for the next mile up to a stop light, where he changes lanes to pull up right next to me and flash a signal which I could only interpret as an attempt to optimistically describe the size of his equipment.

I just gave him a great big smile and a friendly wave...at which point he throws a hamburger wrapper or something at my car and floors it as soon as the light changes.

Charming fellow...I probably would've enjoyed smacking his head against a wall more, but I feel a little better about myself for being painfully pleasant instead.

Another good one: We're all stuck in traffic trying to get on the freeway. It's about 95 degrees. Not moving. Most people are just sitting in their cars fuming quietly or distracting themselves with the radios or phones....except for one scruffy looking guy in a jeep. He's red faced, screaming obsenities at every car in front of him the entire time. We're talking a good 10 minutes here, probably more. I couldn't help but imagine the semi behind him giving him a gentle "reminder" that he's not the only person going somewhere.

The worst part is, I doubt these people recognize the ugliness themselves when they see other people doing the same thing.
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i have to admit im partial to a bit of road rage if someone does something stoopid on the road but if i had my two little babies in the back with me then you just dont bite. so i dont like what you did. if you were alone then go for it - hell get out and hit him but with your kids in back??? they come first surely
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Theres an old saying in the legal world, If you make a complaint or file a lawsuit you have to do it with clean hands. when the guy pulled up next to you the first time you should have ignored it then and if he continued to follow you and try to ram you off the road and you hadnt done anything then you could press charges or sue. but since you over reacted as well you have no recourse. Also it may have been a bad Idea to let the dude know where you wife works.
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In today's world both parties may be charged with road rage - really depends upon how badly your city/state/county cracks down on it, who witnessed it and the cop that took the report. It's generally a lose-lose situation - especially if somebody decides to take it a step further with a gun or some other lethal action so it's usually best not to comfort one'self with the knowledge that "he would have been in the wrong"
Or even more likely, neither gets charged. The police would probably view this as two knuckleheads in a minor dust-up. No property was damaged, it's unlikely any laws were broken, and the only injuries were a few bruised egos. I don't know about your local police, but mine have better things to do than deal with stuff like this. Besides, after the fact, perceptions change. No officer witnessed anything, and, as one of the parties involved, your account would probably not be viewed as a sufficiently objective basis for any sort of criminal charge.
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I'd report the dude for reckless driving and road rage. He drove in a threatening matter to your family and you reacted in a protective manner. You share some responsibility for losing your cool, but he's the one road raging.
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Im not going to read any replies before I answer, because I dont want to have my opinion influence by others... but gesh...
to me it sounds like you were just as capable of road rage then that fellow was AND what are you doing flipping him the finger and screaming ect when you have kids in the car?????
your first priority is not your ego but those kids and to keep them safe and Im sure they werent too proud of dad for acting like that jerk.
Im afraid he is not all to blame, you hold responsability for what took place after the initial cut off where he flicked you off, you should of let it go..
I do want to feel sympathetic, but I truly don't.
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Thank you all for your input. Indeed, those who pointed it out are 100% correct. I should not have fanned the fire. I found a web site that recommends making a big sign that says "SORRY", which you display immediately after cutting someone off, in the event they don't take it lightly, as this guy didn’t.

Interestingly, people have always cut me off, as I do them, but neither me nor most other people ever have any emotion as a result of it. And those who do, as this guy did initially, never take it as far as this guy did. He took it to a whole new level!

Indeed, daddy shouldn’t be using bad words. Funny though, looking back at childhood growing up in Miami, my dad would do the same thing, except in Spanish, which made the whole situation a whole lot funnier. Apparently, the equivalent to “Honk at your mother!” is a serious insult in Spanish.

Although I anticipated the responses received, interestingly, no one addressed the original question I asked, and perhaps for good reason. This dude would likely get charged with reckless endangerment, or reckless driving. However, as these are relatively minor offenses, and this guy already appears to have a few screws loose, although unlikely, I would make my family and myself vulnerable to any further retaliation this individual might have as a result. So, this whole ordeal will simply sit as a lesson learned for interests sake.



oups, just saw that...
Im glad you see that your behavior could of lead to something worst for your kids.
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Maybe because I'm paranoid and have too much time on my hands to think of crap like this, but I wonder how difficult/expensive it would be to install 2 web-cam type digital cameras, one looking out the wind shield and one looking out the rear window. Maybe going to a flash drive which only needs to hold an hour of video from the 2 cameras combined. This would sure come in handy in a situation like this or when some jask ass rear ends you. Could even hook it up to the car's computer to record your car speed and breaking and all that jazz.
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