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Old 12-15-06, 08:12 AM   #1
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Political Correctness run amuck

I'd say only in California, but sadly, it's everywhere:

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RIVERSIDE, Calif. (AP) - A high school choir was asked to stop singing Christmas carols during an ice skating show featuring Olympic medalist Sasha Cohen out of concern the skater would be offended because she's Jewish.

A city staff member, accompanied by a police officer, approached the Rubidoux High School Madrigals at the Riverside Outdoor Ice Skating Rink just as they launched into "God Rest Ye Merry Gentleman" and requested that the troupe stop singing, the Riverside Press-Enterprise reported Thursday.

Cohen, the 2006 Olympic silver medalist and 2006 U.S. National Champion, had just finished her performance at the rink on the downtown pedestrian mall, and was signing autographs.

Choir director Staci Della-Rocco said she complied with the request "because a policeman told me to stop. I didn't want to have a big old huge scene in front of my kids," according to the newspaper.

The city staff member, special-events employee Michelle Baldwin, could not be reached for comment. City Development Director Belinda J. Graham confirmed the incident.

"This request was simply made by a staff member who was attempting to be sensitive to the celebrity guest, without considering the wider implications ... or consulting with her supervisor for guidance," Graham said in an e-mail to the newspaper.

Mayor Ron Loveridge called the incident "unfortunate."

"You kind of wish people do a little checking first. You certainly have my apology," he said, referring to the choir members.

A spokeswoman with the New York-based PR firm that helped promote the event said Cohen did not make the request to silence the singers.
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Another case of the well-intentioned urgently rushing to do the unnecessary. More people need to stop and ask: "What would Borat do?"
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Another case of the well-intentioned urgently rushing to do the unnecessary. More people need to stop and ask: "What would Borat do?"
"Somebody kick them in their back *****!"
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Old 12-15-06, 08:30 AM   #5
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Yeah, this is the sort of thing that drives me crazy when I go back to Canada. Political correctness can just be so paralysing sometimes. Then again, China could use a bit... cf. "Darlie Toothpaste", the Chinese name of which remains "black man toothpaste" ("Oh, it's not racist, it's because black people have such white teeth!")
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Did the choir start singing the Hanukah song instead? Besides, what's wrong w/ singing Christmas carols? Jesus was jewish.
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I am amazed at the amount of offense that people find, especially in the holiday season.
If I say happy holidays or seasons greetings I run the risk of offending christians.
If I say Merry Christmas I run the risk of offending non christians.
so for political correctness I am instituting a new holiday phrase:
"Piss off"

seriously, these folks need to get a life, both sides.

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I'm sick of hearing "Merry Christmas" everywhere I go. It's annoying and ostracizing. I've had to deal with it since I was a kid.

Just say "happy holidays" and be all encompassing. It's not that hard.

If people honored Christmas as a holiday and not as a commercial orgy of spending and guilt trips, then we wouldn't have this problem.
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Some of these things get so silly it amuses me. Like the ******* that threatened to sue an airport for putting up christmas trees if they didn't come up with equally large manoras.
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i could care less, but christmas carols are religious propaganda no matter how you look at it. i don't care if it's set to music or has harmony to it, a lot of the songs are deeply relgious in nature. just read the lyrics to this popular carol:

Hark! The Herald Angels Sing

Hark! the herald angels sing
Glory to the new-born King!
Peace on earth and mercy mild,
God and sinners reconciled!
Joyful, all ye nations, rise,
Join the triumph of the skies;
With th' angelic host proclaim
Christ is born in Bethlehem!
Hark! the herald angels sing
Glory to the new-born King!

Christ, by highest heaven adored;
Christ, the everlasting Lord;
Late in time behold him come,
Offspring of the Virgin's womb.
Veiled in flesh the Godhead see;
Hail the incarnate Deity,
Pleased as man with man to dwell;
Jesus, our Emmanuel! Refrain
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One of my Psych Profs celebrates Hannukah and he wishes Merry Christmas to every student that wishes him a Happy Hannukah! If they wish him a Merry Christmas, not realizing he is Jewish, they get back a Merry Christmas AND a Happy Hannukah after. Then again, he doesn't get offended about any holiday......Well, I take that back, he got a bit miffed when one of the local Skinheads wished him a happy Hitlers birthday!
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The 'holidays' suck as a whole. First the Xians co-opted the earlier pagan celebrations, then the merchants totally commercialized any 'holiday spirit' that was still left over.

Santacon is more in the spirit, anyone have this in their town? I saw a bunch o' drunk Santas in PDX! Someone said peyote eggnog was being served...

http://www.santacon.com/

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i could care less, but christmas carols are religious propaganda no matter how you look at it. i don't care if it's set to music or has harmony to it, a lot of the songs are deeply relgious in nature. just read the lyrics to this popular carol:

Hark! The Herald Angels Sing

Hark! the herald angels sing
Glory to the new-born King!
Peace on earth and mercy mild,
God and sinners reconciled!
Joyful, all ye nations, rise,
Join the triumph of the skies;
With th' angelic host proclaim
Christ is born in Bethlehem!
Hark! the herald angels sing
Glory to the new-born King!

Christ, by highest heaven adored;
Christ, the everlasting Lord;
Late in time behold him come,
Offspring of the Virgin's womb.
Veiled in flesh the Godhead see;
Hail the incarnate Deity,
Pleased as man with man to dwell;
Jesus, our Emmanuel! Refrain
Uhhh.... and your point??

Christmas IS a celebration of the birth of Christ. So a CHRISTmas card should, by definition, be religious in nature.

A holiday card, on the other hand....
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I guess I have a biased view because I'm christian. But I could care less what kind of decorations an airport puts up, or what people want to sing, doesn't change what I believe. In fact, it helps reaffirm my beliefs. But once again, since christmas is accepted in mainstream culture, I suppose my view is biased.
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see...thats the whole problem here.

Why should YOU feel biased because you believe in Christmas or because you are a Christian? The fact of the matter is that you (and the other 10 billion people who are Christian) are celebrating Christmas as Jesus' birthday, like your religion dictates you should. Those IDIOTS who think it's wrong to celebrate CHRISTmas are pushing their own religious non-values on YOU by telling you that you shouldn't celebrate Christmas unless they get to celebrate whatever.

It is a classic case of the tail wagging the dog. They are atheist or whatever, and in a severe minority, but DEMAND that their religious views take a front-row seat over the vast majority of other people's religion despite the fact that most of the world is Christian in one regard or another.

I'll never feel guilty just because I happen to beleive in God or Jesus...no matter what anyone else tries to say about it. I accept THEIR religion...time for them to recognize and accept MINE in the same courteous manner without getting all bent out of shape as well.
I don't think you understand my point.

My point was that because of the fact mainstream america(IE malls, airports, etc) happen to put up christmas decorations and basically support what I believe, my opinion is biased, because basically they are supporting what I believe in. Even though consciously I don't feel it makes a difference in my opinion, to an outsider it may seem my opinion is biased because of it.

I don't feel guilty because of what I believe in. I'm just saying that maybe my opinion is biased. Of course me, even if the malls or airports put up manorahs, I wouldn't complain. I don't need them to support my beliefs to help me feel they are true. It's just a matter of everyone wanting what they want, and only one group is going to be satisfied.

Sad the things people nitpick over these days, let's not actually worry about things that matter. Like the people dying in africa due to lack of a decent water source. Or aids. Or global warming. Let's complain about the lack of a manorah in an airport.
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just my response to those "You should not be able to celebrate Christmas" people.

I just think its funny how they're trying to keep me from freely practicing my religion...yet DEMAND their own religious freedom at the same time.
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The fact of the matter is that you (and the other 10 billion people who are Christian) are celebrating Christmas as Jesus' birthday, like your religion dictates you should.
In fact, both the Roman and German churches strongly discouraged the public celebration of Christmas well into the 20th century. It was considered paganish, and an excuse for serfs/working stiffs to drink too much and demand things from their masters/employers.

I don't know this for a fact, but I doubt Sasha Cohen cared a hoot about Christmas Carols being sung at the event that is the original subject of this thread.

As for the rest - make a big public show out of your religion if you must. To my mind, that's just bad taste and chauvinism, whether you're Sh'ia or Sunnni -- oh, I mean, whether you're the "majority" or the "minority."

Also, I'm kind of a math guy with a thing for numbers: 10 billion? There may be strength in numbers but I doubt it.
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I understood you perfectly.

Read my first post on this thread again.

Its a small minority of people who think that they should be allowed to practice their own religion in any way they see fit....but demand that Christians be censored at Christmas so they don't have to hear the word "Christ".

In this country, you are only allowed to discriminate if you are in the minority, and only against the majority. It's okay for a muslim to say that Christians are evil and that they are offended by someone telling them "merry christmas"...but you will be all but hanged if you say all muslims are terrorists and that the words "allah akbhar" should not be allowed to be displayed in public places.
That's completely untrue. As far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, they don't want the trees taken down in the airport, they just want the addition of a manorah.
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Besides, what's wrong w/ singing Christmas carols? Jesus was jewish.
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If the owners of the airline/terminal are Christian, and want to put up a Christmas tree, that's their right.
It's "menorah" already, okay? (At least in English.)

The owners of SEA-TAC Airport is the Port of Seattle, which is controlled by the Enterprise Fund (a public employee's pension fund) and the Warehousemen’s Pension Trust Fund, and receives major financial support from the isssuance of triple tax-free municipal bonds, which are ultimately underwritten by the citizens of the State of Washington, and to some extent, American taxpayers everywhere.

But it's really just kind of like that corner candy store, right? Some upright Mennonite (another Christian sect that abhors the German/American style Christmas celebration) woman who just moved here from the country must "own" the airport.
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This war on Christmas nonsense is beginning to make Christmas a PITA. Every year we have to hear this story.
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that's their point. Make a HUUUUGE stink about it each and every year until THEY are the only ones allowed to openly express their religious views.
If by "they" you mean Christians, I am in total agreement. (I am Catholic, BTW).
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sasha was interviewed on the news this morning... the choir didn't bother her at all SHE LIKED THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!!

dumb@sses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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what...do you disagree or something?

I personally find all the fireworks for Chinese New Year offensive and loud. They interfere with my ability to enjoy myself in public in peace.

Fireworks for Jan 1st are okay though...because I'm Christian.
dude....dude...it's there f***ing new year...people are lucky if I dont run down the street drunk and half naked banging pots and pans with a party gazoo in my mouth at midnight on new years eve.
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