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    An Article About Differences 'Tween the Sexes . . .

    From William Campbell Douglass II, M.D.

    "I’m going to get in trouble for this one, I just know it. But don’t shoot the messenger…

    "We spend a lot of time in American society denying or minimizing the differences between the sexes. And as un-PC as it is to say, this is a purely political ploy designed to erase men’s natural advantages in some professional fields — like where physical strength, spatial judgments, or mathematical calculation is required.

    "Studies NOT at the mercy of the political winds have borne out time and again that men have certain advantages in these areas. Sorry, but it’s true.

    "Not that women don’t have some major edges in other areas — they do. Look at publishing, writing, editing and journalism fields. The girls not only compete in these arenas, but often dominate them. Same for teaching, nursing, social work and a lot of other careers.

    "The bottom line is that in this modern political climate, women are allowed to exploit their advantages over men whenever they can — but men aren’t allowed to do the same over women. And if they inadvertently do, they have to be ashamed of it and hide their masculinity every day. It’s a major double standard, and it’d be funny if it weren’t so screwy. But I digress…

    "Today’s column is about a major difference between men and women that PC political forces try to deny or sweep under the carpet: The fact that women TALK MORE THAN MEN. For some odd reason, this assertion has been raising ladies’ hackles for years. It’s almost as though if this were proved true it would somehow diminish women’s stature in society or something.

    "Must be a chick thing, I don’t know.

    "But regardless of how anyone FEELS about it, the fact is that — just as most men have suspected since the dawn of language — women chatter (sorry, vocalize) around 3 times as much as men do. And yet another body of research has proven it.

    "According to a recent UK Daily Mail article, a new book titled The Female Mind — written by a University of California affiliated, self-labeled feminist named Dr. Luan Brizendine — reveals that the average woman gives voice to around 20,000 words per day, compared to just 7,000 or so from the typical man. Keep reading…
    The reasons women talk more than men, Brizendine claims, begin in the womb.

    "According to this daring doctor, this disparity in expressiveness is the result of actual physiological and hormonal differences in the way men’s and women’s brains develop — not from man-centric societal influences (as most revisionist PC types would maintain).

    "See? We ARE different! Deal with it, feminists…

    "As if this isn’t politically incorrect enough, she also maintains that women actually get a kind of heroin-like brain-chemical “buzz” from hearing their own voices! Kind of puts a new twist on things when men say that their women are arguing just to hear themselves talk, doesn’t it? (I’m going to get it for that crack, I know).

    "The news isn’t all unflattering for the ladies, though. Brizendine redeems herself with her militant feminist readers by suggesting that the same brain chemistry differences that make men and women talk at such differing rates also enable men to become “deaf” to their women’s protestations…

    "Small consolation for the girls, I realize. But I’m in the truth biz, not the “fuzzy lies” one.

    "And since I’m already in hot water with the fairer sex today — I might as well go all the way with it tomorrow. Stay tuned…

    "Talking too much (for my own good) about who’s talking too much."


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    Uggghhhh...me no have much to say (scratches arm pits).
    Why isn't 11 pronounced onety one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagathon
    "We spend a lot of time in American society denying or minimizing the differences between the sexes. And as un-PC as it is to say, this is a purely political ploy designed to erase men’s natural advantages in some professional fields — like where physical strength, spatial judgments, or mathematical calculation is required.

    Ah put in one that is generally true and sex linked to a couple of others that are questionable and most likely linked to how society pushes children.

    Yea guys are generally bigger and stronger, but only generally. But the math idea is very very questionable. If guys are pushed into math and science starting early and women pushed out guess which sex will test out better.

    And if it is 'mathematical calculation' then why as so many accountants women?

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    Yeah, but what percentage of ALL accountants are women?

    "Law of averages" will show a difference between the sexes; there's no denying that. Won't predict any particular individual, but it is valid for the groups as a whole.

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    Another uniquely male talent I'm sure: when I was just a 'lil kid, I could smell how many pork chops my mom was cooking from five houses away--that's how I learned math!

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    I feel a storm brewing

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    Meh. He's an M.D. and he had the phrase "must be a chick thing" in an article discussing the biological basis of the differences between the sexes? pfft...he's not even worth it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wagathon
    Another uniquely male talent I'm sure: when I was just a 'lil kid, I could smell how many pork chops my mom was cooking from five houses away--that's how I learned math!
    That explains a lot.
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    Kind of getting in touch with their female side, I suspect there are quite a few on the P&R forum that, "actually get a kind of heroin-like brain-chemical “buzz” from hearing their own voices" as well!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith99
    And if it is 'mathematical calculation' then why as so many accountants women?
    Actually, there's not much math in accounting beyond the basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division. It's mostly about knowing the rules about how to post entries and where to post and what forms to use (especally in tax accounting).
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    Men - at my advanced age I can tell you articles like these are in reality written by a woman hoping to smoke out any male foolish enough to agree. DON'T FALL FOR IT!

    After all, how are you going to win an argument with someone who can out talk you 3 to one.... OOPS!
    Last edited by crtreedude; 12-18-06 at 02:53 PM.

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    Interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lsits
    Actually, there's not much math in accounting beyond the basic addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.
    But that's exactly what's meant by "mathematical calculation". So few people in the world even begin to understand what mathematics is that I don't think we can have enough subject to conduct meaningful studies there.

    At any rate, I don't think anyone's ever denied that the average man is different from the average woman. That would be silly. It's just that, as someone here's already pointed out, these average values do little to predict behaviour of any specific individual and that every individual should be judged on its individual qualities and not automatically supposed to fit these average gender-specific profiles (which in this context rightfully become known as stereotypes).

    P.S. I'm a girl and one of the quietest people I've ever known.

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    Interesting fact too that women can compete very effectively and win against men, mano-a-momma, in some events where physical strength are required, e.g., swimming the English Channel, Iditarod--maybe extreme ocean depths on one breath (not sure if that record is held by a woman).



    P.S., I heard long ago, apparently based on scientific conclusions, that women are better able to withstand changes in temperature (due to better insulation) and also are capable of enduring greater amounts of pain.

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    I definitely believe there are some inherent brain differences between the sexes, I just don't like the tone of that article.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnamb
    I definitely believe there are some inherent brain differences between the sexes, I just don't like the tone of that article.
    Yeah but his brain made him write that way so . . . it's Ok, right?

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    Personally, this is the best article I've ever read about the difference between men and women. Courtesy of Dave Barry, I believe:

    Let's say a guy named Roger is attracted to a woman named Elaine. He asks her out to a movie; she accepts; they have a pretty good time.

    A few nights later he asks her out to dinner, and again they enjoy themselves. They continue to see each other regularly, and after a while, neither one of them is seeing anybody else.

    Then, one evening when they're driving home, a thought occurs to Elaine, and, without really thinking, she says it aloud: "Do you realize that, as of tonight, we've been seeing each other for exactly six months?"

    And then there is silence in the car.... To Elaine, it seems like a very loud silence. She thinks to herself: Gee, I wonder if it bothers him that I said that. Maybe he's been feeling confined by our relationship; maybe he thinks I'm trying to push him into some kind of obligation that he doesn't want, or isn't sure of.

    And Roger is thinking: Gosh. Six months.

    And Elaine is thinking: But, hey, I'm not so sure I want this kind of relationship, either. Sometimes I wish I had a little more space, so I'd have time to think about whether I really want us to keep going the way we are, moving steadily toward. I mean, where are we going? Are we just going to keep seeing each other at this level of intimacy? Are we heading toward marriage? Toward children? Toward a lifetime together? Am I ready for that level of commitment? Do I really even know this person?

    And Roger is thinking: So that means it was ..let's see ...February when we started going out, which was right after I had the car at the dealer's, which means...lemme check the odometer. Whoa! I am way overdue for an oil change here.

    And Elaine is thinking: He's upset. I can see it on his face. Maybe I'm reading this completely wrong. Maybe he wants more from our relationship, more intimacy, more commitment; maybe he has sensed-even before I sensed it-that I was feeling some reservations. Yes, I bet that's it. That's why he's so reluctant to say anything about his own feelings. He's afraid of being rejected.

    And Roger is thinking: And I'm gonna have them look at the transmission again. I don't care what those morons say, it's still not shifting right. And they better not try to blame it on the cold weather this time. What cold weather? It's 87 degrees out, and this thing is shifting like a garbage truck, and I paid those incompetent thieves $600.

    And Elaine is thinking: He's angry. And I don't blame him. I'd be angry, too. I feel so guilty, putting him through this, but I can't help the way I feel. I'm just not sure.

    And Roger is thinking: They'll probably say it's only a 90-day warranty. Scumbags!

    And Elaine is thinking: Maybe I'm just too idealistic, waiting for a knight to come riding up on his white horse, when I'm sitting right next to a perfectly good person, a person I enjoy being with, a person I truly do care about, a person who seems to truly care about me. A person who is in pain because of my self-centered, school girl romantic fantasy.

    And Roger is thinking: Warranty? They want a warranty? I'll give them a warranty. I'll take their warranty and tell them what they can do with it!!

    "Roger," Elaine says aloud.

    "What?" says Roger, startled.

    "Please don't torture yourself like this," she says, her eyes beginning to brim with tears. "Maybe I should never have... Oh boy, I feel so..." (She breaks down, sobbing.)

    "What?" says Roger.

    "I'm such a fool," Elaine sobs. "I mean, I know there's no knight. I really know that. It's silly. There's no knight, and there's no horse."

    "There's no horse?" says Roger.

    "You think I'm a fool, don't you?" Elaine says.

    "No!" says Roger, glad to finally know the correct answer.

    "It's just that... it's that I... I need some time," Elaine says.

    (There is a 15-second pause while Roger, thinking as fast as he can, tries to come up with a safe response. Finally he comes up with one that he thinks might work.) "Yes," he says.

    (Elaine, deeply moved, touches his hand.) "Oh, Roger, do you really feel that way?" she says.

    "What way?" says Roger.

    "That way about time," says Elaine.

    "Oh," says Roger. "Yes."

    (Elaine turns to face him and gazes deeply into his eyes, causing him to become very nervous about what she might say next, especially if it involves a horse. At last she speaks.)

    "Thank you, Roger," she says.

    "Thank you," says Roger.

    Then he takes her home, and she lies on her bed, a conflicted, tortured soul, and weeps until dawn.

    Roger gets back to his place, he opens a bag of Doritos, turns on the TV, and immediately becomes deeply involved in a rerun of a tennis match between two Czechoslovakians he never heard of. A tiny voice in the far recesses of his mind tells him that something major was going on back there in the car, but he is pretty sure there is no way he would ever understand what, and so he figures it's better if he doesn't think about it.

    The next day Elaine will call her closest friend, or perhaps two of them, and they will talk about this situation for six straight hours. In painstaking detail, they will analyze everything she said and everything he said, going over it time and time again, exploring every word, expression, and gesture for nuances of meaning, considering every possible ramification. They will continue to discuss this subject, off and on, for weeks, maybe months, never reaching any definite conclusions, but never getting bored with it, either.

    Meanwhile, Roger, while playing racquetball one day with a mutual friend of his and Elaine's, will pause just before serving, frown, and say, "Norm, did Elaine ever own a horse?"
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    Straight up out of the vagina, I think the only differences are physical. Granted males are on average bigger, stronger, and have less body fat percentage, mentally I believe males and females are equal.
    That's why in a lot of intellectual things, given the right opportunities, men and women are equal but in things like sports, men and women will never be the same. Otherwise, there won't be any womens specific leagues, they'll all compete together.

    Maybe if women want to be so "equal" they should eliminate the women specific competitions and let them compete/qualify with the men.

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