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    Oh crap.

    So it's almost 12 midnight, and I'm driving me and a few buddies back from vallejo. Off 280 as we drive by we notice a car on it's side, the side rail completely destroyed, smoke coming from the car. No emergency personel there yet. We didn't have time to abruptly stop and see if the person was ok. We all know first aid, and we really wanted to help. So we decide to stop at a call box and call 911. We stop on a sliver of a shoulder and call. I hope the person is alright

    People, please be careful when you drive.

    Don't drive at night if you're tired.

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    I was going 85 and it was around a corner where there wasn't alot of shoulder and there were cars behind me. Not alot of time to instantly stop.

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    Next offramp and turn around???

    Honestly Pheard...if it was almost midnight, this just happened. You say you really wanted to help...but you're here posting instead.

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    You'll know if you could have helped if they announce a sombody dead on the news tommorow.

    "the bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began...there was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of a bus to never-ever land."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandy
    Next offramp and turn around???

    Honestly Pheard...if it was almost midnight, this just happened. You say you really wanted to help...but you're here posting instead.
    Ok if people are going to get all on me, then I'll just pm a mod to lock the thread.

    I made the thread, because it worried me.

    Didn't happen exactly at 12. I just looked at my computer clock and said 12. It was easily a half an hour ago.

    The police said emergency personel was coming. If you knew this stretch of highway. It easily would have taken me 15-20 minutes to get back on the freeway behind the accident, thus being only in the way of emergency personel. As is when I stopped at the call box, the person behind me almost rear ended me and honked. What would have happened if I had slammed my brakes around a curve where the accident happened?

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    Jon, sweetie, you done good. Reactions in different and new situations in life are all based on experience. You did what you did. So did all the people behind you. Next time, you may do something differently, or maybe not.

    <shrug> Maybe that's kinda where I am, but there will be no future second chance for me. Once I can deal with the "woulda-shoulda-coulda," which, somehow cruelly, seems to be about self-forgiveness at this point, I'll probably find some healing.

    Jon, sleep well. And don't worry about this. Many people face new situations that are hard to process quickly, and it's not alway easy to know what to do, or if you did the right thing, especially if you've not seen such things before. I so know this. But if you're thinking about this situation, then you have grown tonight. And regardless of what happened back there, you are now a better person because of it. And in a better position to do whatever is appropriate next time.

    I know your gentle heart, and your youth. And your ever-growing life experience. You're still a great guy in my book.

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    I won't second guess your judgement. You were there and I was not. The SOB who beeped at you when you stopped to use the call box annoys me. He saw the same accident you did but he is more concerned about the tiny inconvenience you're causing him than the help these people need. Sometimes it seems every driver thinks he or she is the most important person on the road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VegaVixen
    Jon, sweetie, you done good. Reactions in different and new situations in life are all based on experience. You did what you did. So did all the people behind you. Next time, you may do something differently, or maybe not.

    <shrug> Maybe that's kinda where I am, but there will be no future second chance for me. Once I can deal with the "woulda-shoulda-coulda," which, somehow cruelly, seems to be about self-forgiveness at this point, I'll probably find some healing.

    Jon, sleep well. And don't worry about this. Many people face new situations that are hard to process quickly, and it's not alway easy to know what to do, or if you did the right thing, especially if you've not seen such things before. I so know this. But if you're thinking about this situation, then you have grown tonight. And regardless of what happened back there, you are now a better person because of it. And in a better position to do whatever is appropriate next time.

    I know your gentle heart, and your youth. And your ever-growing life experience. You're still a great guy in my book.
    Guys, I'm not looking for a pat on the back, or a good job for calling 911. All I did was use a phone, I didn't save anyones life. It just freaked me out, and I wanted to share the experience that just happened to me.

    If it hadn't been around a blind curve, I would have stopped. I know I would have. It was just in a terrible spot. I would have caused another accident if I'd abruptly stopped there.

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    In New York you MUST stop if you witness an accident or the result of one and no one is on the scene. It's called the Good Samaritan law I believe (too tired to look it up right now). It's also a good practice to keep a bunch of safety equipment in your trunk - some flairs are great to toss before a blind corner to let people know they should slow down.

    Not getting up on you but as an FYI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheard
    Guys, I'm not looking for a pat on the back, or a good job for calling 911. All I did was use a phone, I didn't save anyones life. It just freaked me out, and I wanted to share the experience that just happened to me.

    If it hadn't been around a blind curve, I would have stopped. I know I would have. It was just in a terrible spot. I would have caused another accident if I'd abruptly stopped there.
    Baby, that's what I just said, essentially. You did nothing "wrong," and you did what, in the moment, was appropriate as you saw it. And that's the way life works. Period.

    Thanks for sharing it with us. It does put us all on notice that, at any given moment, it could be us in that car, or us calling for help....

    That's all Vega's tryin' to say, at nearly 4am on the east coast. <sigh> Gotta be up early, too, to go to see the Clerk of Superior Court about some probate issues....

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    Look on the bright side, maybe sombody else stopped.

    "the bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began...there was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of a bus to never-ever land."


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    Quote Originally Posted by wethepeople
    Look on the bright side, maybe sombody else stopped.
    +1 and likely.

    So many different people on the same road, so many different life experiences and gut instincts. Again, Jon, you did nothing wrong by doing what you felt was right. But next time, what will feel right to you will be to stop. Even if you have to run back to the scene. Next time, you might be the only one with the right life experience to stop.... You have grown tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wethepeople
    Look on the bright side, maybe sombody else stopped.
    If anyone slammed their brakes going around that blind corner going freeway speeds, they may have been part of the accident.

    So that really isn't the bright side.

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    Would you rather another guilt trip?

    Maybe sombody went back who wasnt in a hurry, or ambulance got there as you called. This is all assuming sombody was actually hurt, it could have just been steam coming from the car.

    EDIT: that came out a little harsher sounding then I intended...
    Last edited by wethepeople; 12-29-06 at 02:02 AM.

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    Let's all let this ride 'til the morning so our friend can sleep. I'm sure Jon will update us on this.

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    I already checked, he isnt online anymore .

    "the bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began...there was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of a bus to never-ever land."


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    Quote Originally Posted by wethepeople
    EDIT: that came out a little harsher sounding then I intended...
    Nah no one's comments came out harsh, other than the person who passed judgement on me and basically implied I'd rather be on bf, than helping someone out.

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    Alrighty then.

    When I re-read it it sounded like I was being a jerk, which is all to common. Consult this thread for proof I'm a jerk.

    "the bus came by and I got on, that's when it all began...there was Cowboy Neal at the wheel of a bus to never-ever land."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheard
    Nah no one's comments came out harsh, other than the person who passed judgement on me and basically implied I'd rather be on bf, than helping someone out.
    Jon, that was a first gut reaction of someone who'd have done something differently, and maybe didn't come out very well. Please don't take it personally. Brandy is a cool gal, and wouldn't intentionally try to cut you down. When she reads this tomorrow, sure, she'll still think perhaps that she would have stopped, based on her own life experience, but she won't be thinking badly of you. Trust Vega. And sleep well, my friend. I'm trying hard to do so myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecnetsixe
    Dont worry about it. Nothing you can change now. At least you did call 911. In future though mate never be afraid to stop and help someone You never know in those situations - sometimes seconds can really count if someone is pinned or trapped in a car.
    Pheard, you're OK to deal with this anyway you see fit. I wouldn't give it a second thought... it's unnerving at the time, but there was little you could do directly in the circumstances as you portray them, and you certainly did not create an environment for further mayhem and injury.

    Have you had any accident first aid training? The course I did said only to ensure the airways are clear, the patient is breathing and has a pulse (and to try to rectify that if they don't), to try to stop prolific bleeding, and to move a victim from a vehicle if they are in further imminent danger (eg, fire). Lifting a vehicle off a person may not be a good move, as the action can actually kill them. And the most important action is to... call for assistance!

    Only one piece of advice for you, though -- maybe moderate your speed -- 85mph on a curve in narrow circumstances may have led to that accident in the first place. Could you have stopped if a victim had made their way on to the roadway to seek help?

    I know you lot in California drive fast -- the experience I had between Las Vegas to LA last year scared the living daylights out of me, and the big crash that delayed us for around two hours seemed almost inevitable after a silver BMW and a silver Mercedes Benz went past at around 100mph, weaving into and out of traffic in their own personal race.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rowan
    Pheard, you're OK to deal with this anyway you see fit. I wouldn't give it a second thought... it's unnerving at the time, but there was little you could do directly in the circumstances as you portray them, and you certainly did not create an environment for further mayhem and injury.

    Have you had any accident first aid training? The course I did said only to ensure the airways are clear, the patient is breathing and has a pulse (and to try to rectify that if they don't), to try to stop prolific bleeding, and to move a victim from a vehicle if they are in further imminent danger (eg, fire). Lifting a vehicle off a person may not be a good move, as the action can actually kill them. And the most important action is to... call for assistance!

    Only one piece of advice for you, though -- maybe moderate your speed -- 85mph on a curve in narrow circumstances may have led to that accident in the first place. Could you have stopped if a victim had made their way on to the roadway to seek help?

    I know you lot in California drive fast -- the experience I had between Las Vegas to LA last year scared the living daylights out of me, and the big crash that delayed us for around two hours seemed almost inevitable after a silver BMW and a silver Mercedes Benz went past at around 100mph, weaving into and out of traffic in their own personal race.
    Most of my information in the OP was just alot of guessing. I don't have the exact time this happened, so I said almost 12 midnight. I had been going 85 on a previous straight stretch, but around this curve I would think I was going slower than that. I wasn't staring at the speed gauge.

    The only training I have in first aid is the merit badge I got for my eagle. The only thing I'd have done was try to calm the person down and talk to them. Only if the car was going to explode or something would I have even tried to move them.

    I apologize if I seem grouchy, because I am grouchy. This was an hour drive back after having done heavy lifting all day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheard
    Most of my information in the OP was just alot of guessing. I don't have the exact time this happened, so I said almost 12 midnight. I had been going 85 on a previous straight stretch, but around this curve I would think I was going slower than that. I wasn't staring at the speed gauge.

    The only training I have in first aid is the merit badge I got for my eagle. The only thing I'd have done was try to calm the person down and talk to them. Only if the car was going to explode or something would I have even tried to move them.

    I apologize if I seem grouchy, because I am grouchy. This was an hour drive back after having done heavy lifting all day.
    It's all cool. The adrenalin rush that happens tends to make things go in a blur and the minor details get swept together. It's not pleasant, and you're always going to get people who "know" how to react in a similar situation (but may not have been put in the same position, so don't really know how they would react). I've just been told that the key element in a North American first aid training (Red Cross) course is: "Call an ambulance first", which you did. And the second key element is to ensure that *you* don't put yourself in danger; which you didn't. It follows similar content to the course I did.

    Leave it at that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheard
    Most of my information in the OP was just alot of guessing. I don't have the exact time this happened, so I said almost 12 midnight. I had been going 85 on a previous straight stretch, but around this curve I would think I was going slower than that. I wasn't staring at the speed gauge.

    The only training I have in first aid is the merit badge I got for my eagle. The only thing I'd have done was try to calm the person down and talk to them. Only if the car was going to explode or something would I have even tried to move them.

    I apologize if I seem grouchy, because I am grouchy. This was an hour drive back after having done heavy lifting all day.
    Oh, Jon, if ever I had to guess who got the eagle, it'd be you. You are such a swell guy. And I really mean that. Your PM's have been insightful, mature, and very meaningful to my healing.

    This time you did "this." Next time you'll do "that." And in any case, anyone involved will be the better for it, regardless of outcome, for your compassion. You're a real Mensch.

    Get some sleep. Tomorrow night is the New Year's Foo Party (though there may be another on Sunday night at Siu's virtual place, if she still allows all of us to crash! <laughing>), and I fully expect you to be around helping Vega to keep things lively!

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    This thread is really sweet and everything about how you only wish you could have helped if there were
    time? I don't understand that part about no time.
    .."time to abruptly.." Abrubtly takes no time at all. Not the point, though.
    "I was going 85 ..People, please be careful when you drive.
    Don't drive at night if you're tired."

    Why doesn't this make sense to me? I guess it's ok to not stop since everyone behind you is driving too fast to react to a car in front of them jamming on the brakes

    This really smacks of you blaming other people for why you didn't stop. Sure, it may NOT have been safe and
    True, more people could have been hurt if someone did try to stop at that instant
    But I'm not down with listening to you speak of your groups first aid skills and desire to stop and save the uneducated and tired bastards day but just couldn't cause of everyone else's failure to drive safely behind you
    I do not truly care if you stopped on a dangerously narrow speck of a shoulder to call for help.
    Just say you called for help ..no need to make yourself sound brave to make up for not actually saving a persons life with your own bare hands.
    There are no points awarded for doing anything

    All I can say to you
    Is you be careful driving
    Perhaps don't drive 85 mph or whatever speed it actually was
    You believe that's safe? OK since everyone else does it? Maybe that dude crashed because he was speeding. Maybe if you didn't speed he wouldn't have, either. Maybe if you don't speed nobody would speed. Maybe if you were more careful that driver wouldn't have been in his situation.

    Don't come in here and remind me to be careful
    When you don't even bother to recognize your role in this

    I'm pretty certain there is no need for this thread
    Everyone here knows that driving recklessly is dangerous
    Little children know that much
    You're not saving us here, either.

    Unless your intention in reporting this here was to save some of us in that area from delays
    You can keep it to yourself.
    "I made the thread, because it worried me"
    No you didn't. This is why you posted the story .."Jon, sweetie, you done good"

    "if people are going to get all on me, then I'll just pm a mod to lock the thread"
    Don't forget your ball.

    At reasonable rates of speed with safe distance between cars there is always time to react. You drive safely, Pheard. YOU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunofsand
    This thread is really sweet and everything about how you only wish you could have helped if there were
    time? I don't understand that part about no time.
    .."time to abruptly.." Abrubtly takes no time at all. Not the point, though.
    "I was going 85 ..People, please be careful when you drive.
    Don't drive at night if you're tired."

    Why doesn't this make sense to me? I guess it's ok to not stop since everyone behind you is driving too fast to react to a car in front of them jamming on the brakes

    This really smacks of you blaming other people for why you didn't stop. Sure, it may NOT have been safe and
    True, more people could have been hurt if someone did try to stop at that instant
    But I'm not down with listening to you speak of your groups first aid skills and desire to stop and save the uneducated and tired bastards day but just couldn't cause of everyone else's failure to drive safely behind you
    I do not truly care if you stopped on a dangerously narrow speck of a shoulder to call for help.
    Just say you called for help ..no need to make yourself sound brave to make up for not actually saving a persons life with your own bare hands.
    There are no points awarded for doing anything

    All I can say to you
    Is you be careful driving
    Perhaps don't drive 85 mph or whatever speed it actually was
    You believe that's safe? OK since everyone else does it? Maybe that dude crashed because he was speeding. Maybe if you didn't speed he wouldn't have, either. Maybe if you don't speed nobody would speed. Maybe if you were more careful that driver wouldn't have been in his situation.

    Don't come in here and remind me to be careful
    When you don't even bother to recognize your role in this

    I'm pretty certain there is no need for this thread
    Everyone here knows that driving recklessly is dangerous
    Little children know that much
    You're not saving us here, either.

    Unless your intention in reporting this here was to save some of us in that area from delays
    You can keep it to yourself.
    "I made the thread, because it worried me"
    No you didn't. This is why you posted the story .."Jon, sweetie, you done good"

    "if people are going to get all on me, then I'll just pm a mod to lock the thread"
    Don't forget your ball.

    At reasonable rates of speed with safe distance between cars there is always time to react. You drive safely, Pheard. YOU.
    Dude, think about what you post. Half of that doesn't make sense.

    Analyzing what I did is pretty stupid considering you weren't there. I made a judgement call.

    Calling 911 put's me past the 100s of other people who drove past and did nothing( who knows maybe everyone called 911? ) I'm not asking for praise by starting this thread, all I did was call 911. Dialed 3 numbers, big deal.

    and you're right, I'm not looking for justification or a pat on the back for what I did, I already made that clear. I could care less how many people think I should have done something different.

    Oh and I WAS driving safe. If I had slammed my brakes, then my driving could have been construed as unsafe. Even if I was going 85, which I don't think I was, that doesn't mean I wasn't driving safe. This has nothing to do with me. Nothing to do with how I drove, nothing to do with how fast I was going. This was just an experience I had.

    I'm happy and fully glad to listen to anyones point of view in regards to the situation.

    I made the thread to share an experience, because that's my right as a member of this forum.
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