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Old 01-13-07, 08:09 PM   #1
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*inux Installation ~ Woe is me.

Praises be to a swap-able drive bay!

Got my Linux for Dummies box and Fedora Core install disk that came with the book.

I Imaged the ISO's for Linspire & Xandros, swapped my XP drive for a newly formated HD, put my Fedora disk in the CD-ROM and puhsed the power button.

Fedora gives me a bunch of white text on a black screen, text starts rolling by at speed and stops.

I reboot with the Linspire image disk, I get some screens that require interaction and I think, "WOW! I'm moving now. Only to get to the part where Linspire aparently goes into a video test and the display goes wonky, the gateway EV500 monitor reports that the Horizontal Frequency is 74.9hz but the monitor will only handle 70hz. I can't read the screen so I shut it down.

Dinner is ready so I take a breather and enjoy the company of my family over some rice & chign.

After dinner I put the xtandros image disk in the CD drive push the power button Xandros starts to do its' thing and I get all the neat GUI screens for the set-up config, etc... I'm clicking "NEXT" like there's no tomorrow, I'm grinnin' like a fool. Oops. I notice the Installation Summary screen mentions that it did recognize any network adapters. I figure no biggie, I'll snag an ISO for the NIC driver after it's set-up.

I click Finish and off it goes. It starts the setup, unloading and installing all kinds of packages, I'm happy. Next thing I know it hangs up. The progress indicator stopped at "Installing package setting up xandros-nvidia-modules-2.4-24-xl".

The coincidence is that I have a ASUS K8N-VM MoBo with the Nvidia NForce NIC and an Nvidia GeForce 6100 built on board.

Sombody please tell me why Linux is such a PITA to get running. I had similar problems when I tried to get it running pn a PII box years ago. Gusss my geek factor just isn't that high. Am I relegated to Windwoes for the rest of my life?
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I hate to do this, but have you tried ubuntu yet? I prefer OpenBSD but it's not for the faint of heart. Barring technical incompatability issues (which could jinx Ubuntu for you as well), I don't know anyone who has tried Ubuntu and not had it work.
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Not yet. I have a SUSE ISO I can image. I might as well grab the OpenBSD ISO and image it too. I'm not afraid of the technical aspect and can pick up on how it works if I have a good resource for help... Push enough buttons and it will either work or crash. If it crashes, I restart the process.

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OpenBSD is a text-adventure until you properly configure graphics. That said, if you install the X packages, it installs a sane configuration of X.Org that works at least minimally on almost anything, but I don't know that it will like NVidia stuff. OpenBSD.org has a handy walk-through for installation though.

If you don't know some UNIX commands, it will be a steep learning curve.
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Ubuntu tends to have the best out of the box hardware support, so I second that. Some distros are absolute PITAs because they automate the install, but then have craptacular hardware support. Ummm... if you're o.k with the command line, I really recommend printing and reading the entire Gentoo install guide, and maybe installing it if you'd like. Then try installing Ubuntu, or Arch , but that's just personal preference.
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OpenBSD is a text-adventure until you properly configure graphics. That said, if you install the X packages, it installs a sane configuration of X.Org that works at least minimally on almost anything, but I don't know that it will like NVidia stuff. OpenBSD.org has a handy walk-through for installation though.

If you don't know some UNIX commands, it will be a steep learning curve.
Totally unfamilair with Unix command line and directory structure. I have a feeling that this is going to be an adventure
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Fedora?

Ferdora sucks.

Get Ubuntu with the new version of Beryl (OMG 3D Desktop!!!!1), it's r0xz0rz ur s0xz0rz.
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Wot?!?!? Joo got me syched. Probably won't work with my hardware.
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I'm installing ubuntu on my macbook (okay, in Parallels) right now.

I am kind of anti-linux but I'm definitely way more anti-windoh's than anything.
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Wot?!?!? Joo got me syched. Probably won't work with my hardware.
Pwnage.
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Do the make a Mac OS that works on the PC? I'm not really anti-windows, I just want to broaden my horizons a bit
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I am very happy with my Fedora setup. I've run it since FC4.
All I did was stick the CD in hte ROM and boot from it. Installation was prettier than windows, and easier.
Fedoraforums.org has some experienced folks, I do recall hearing about nVidia problems.
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google for OSX86.

If you check my resume' I have experience in pretty much everything. I'm not anti-anything per se. My horizons are broad enough that I can be choosy, though. And with any luck, you'll get there too.
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google for OSX86.

If you check my resume' I have experience in pretty much everything. I'm not anti-anything per se. My horizons are broad enough that I can be choosy, though. And with any luck, you'll get there too.
I look deeper later.
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I've always wanted to try to run linux, but have run into a few obstacles.

I can't give up my windows computer just yet, and I don't have another one to experiment on.
I'm too lazy to learn the unix commands and file structure.
I have no earthly idea which of the billion distros to use.

As soon as I get over those, I'll be in business. I despise windows, but I find it's often a neccesary evil.
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I hate to do this, but have you tried ubuntu yet? I prefer OpenBSD but it's not for the faint of heart. Barring technical incompatability issues (which could jinx Ubuntu for you as well), I don't know anyone who has tried Ubuntu and not had it work.
Agreed, my Linux box is running Ubuntu on a PII machine w/ 6.2 gig HD and 128Mgb RAM (Barely!). It did install though. You might also look into BLAG Linux, available for free.
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I have no earthly idea which of the billion distros to use.
Welcome to one of the reasons I don't care much for "Linux" - No one knows if you're talking about Red Hat Enterprise, Linspire, Fedora, Debian, SuSE, Slackware, Gentoo, Arch, Mandriva, Knoppix, CentOS, DSL, Ubuntu, or any of the other bizarre spinoffs of them.

The big problem here is that one can be "pretty good at Linux" but be absolutely useless for your company's new Linux project.
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I look deeper later.
While I'm thinking about it, PM Crosseyed Cricket.....
He's a Debian developer and should have some real insight. Especially for Ubuntu (Debian type distro).
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Vega is a freakin' slug. This whole thread is over her white-haired haid.

Sorry, Stacey! I'd help ya if I could!

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I reccomend going with a basic slackware install (shells and drivers only)...then adding components/troubleshooting drivers one by one, until you have a working system.

Yes, it's a MASSIVE pain in the rump, but it will make for a better overall system. Once you have that core system set-up, make a backup of that drive! Keep that around for all time, or until some hardware is changed...then put that backup drive in and alter the backup to work with the new hardware.

That way, if something goes toes up, you have a functional system drive you can put in, then do data recovery on the other drive.

I used to run swappable bays on all my computers.
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Welcome to one of the reasons I don't care much for "Linux" - No one knows if you're talking about Red Hat Enterprise, Linspire, Fedora, Debian, SuSE, Slackware, Gentoo, Arch, Mandriva, Knoppix, CentOS, DSL, Ubuntu, or any of the other bizarre spinoffs of them.

The big problem here is that one can be "pretty good at Linux" but be absolutely useless for your company's new Linux project.

True, but RedHat is for the most part the "standard" in the corporate world, it's mostly home users that are obfuscating things.

Thing is to actually know linux, means that you are past 90% of the variances in distros....after all they have the same core, and shells. It's just the package selecitons, and the package management systems they use that will vary. Like if you don't like RPM....you can go around it and just install stuff the old fashioned way.
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I've always wanted to try to run linux, but have run into a few obstacles.

I can't give up my windows computer just yet, and I don't have another one to experiment on.
I'm too lazy to learn the unix commands and file structure.
I have no earthly idea which of the billion distros to use.

As soon as I get over those, I'll be in business. I despise windows, but I find it's often a neccesary evil.
If you want to give unix/linux a try without totally sacrificing a machine or the current OS install, you have a few choices. You can either install under a VM or you can play around with some of the many livecds out there. For linux, you have such choices as Knoppix and Helix and for FreeBSD, you have FreesBIE and Frenzy. For NetBSD, there's NeWBIE and for OpenBSD, there's OliveBSD. There are many others. You can even try OpenSolaris ala BeleniX. Just do a Google search to get at the distro sites.
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OpenBSD is a text-adventure until you properly configure graphics.
And this is a good thing. I can't even begin to tell you the number of times I've run across some OS distro that tries to initialise some fancy GUI installer app that ultimately fails because it can't handle the graphics device. And then you're left looking at some stupid error message telling you that you simply can't get there from here. You don't even have a good way of doing a minimal or partway install so you can tweak in a configuration to get the GUI up for the rest of the installer to run. A wise man was once heard to say...

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I needed a few more nameserver and so just recently installed a bunch of OpenBSD systems on SPARCstations over serial console. It took me less than 10 minutes to get them started and I could simply walk away while the text based installer went to town configuring the drives, downloading the right install sets and plopping everything onto the drives. I also did all this from remote.
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If you want to give unix/linux a try without totally sacrificing a machine or the current OS install, you have a few choices. You can either install under a VM or you can play around with some of the many livecds out there. For linux, you have such choices as Knoppix and Helix and for FreeBSD, you have FreesBIE and Frenzy. For NetBSD, there's NeWBIE and for OpenBSD, there's OliveBSD. There are many others. You can even try OpenSolaris ala BeleniX. Just do a Google search to get at the distro sites.
I have a Knoppix image and I got it to load successfully... except it too didn't recognise my on-board nVidia LAN card. Looks like I'll have to put my 3Com card in. <shakes head>
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