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Old 01-15-07, 10:52 PM   #1
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i just took another step towards adulthood

Well I know that I'm not a regular fooster, but I thought I'd drop in, mostly because my roommates are all younger or less responsible. ANYWAY, my last law school application goes out tomorrow! I'm applying to American, Northeastern, and University of Richmond (VA). AND I've got applications in with a few different places in case I don't get into law school or if I opt to take some time off. Does anyone have any advice/experience with law school and/or professional job interviews?

Well, now that I'm all grown up, it's time to eat some bag-brand Crunch Berries
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Old 01-15-07, 10:53 PM   #2
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Hey... don't rush things!!

I'm 43 and I'm not even close to ALL grown up!!
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Old 01-15-07, 10:56 PM   #3
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haha well i'm not REALLY grown up. i mean, Im sitting here watching cartoons on tv and couldnt be happier...i guess my first post was supposed to be more bummed out. b/c i dont want to grow up
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Me, too, Crosseyed.

Oh well. Good luck on the applications!
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Good luck to you, I hope all your dreams come true!!
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haha well i'm not REALLY grown up. i mean, Im sitting here watching cartoons on tv and couldnt be happier...i guess my first post was supposed to be more bummed out. b/c i dont want to grow up
Hell, I'm 47 and I watch cartoons! I'm a college student as well!
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Hell, I'm 47 and I watch cartoons! I'm a college student as well!
I'm 50 and I hope I never quit my first childhood. I'm going back to college in the fall for my third degree...have to compete with kids again.

Oh well, age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill....
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Well, I have three years experience in law school and twelve years in practice. It's not always an easy way to make a living, but it can be fun. Just make sure you prepare for your classes and try to find an area that really interests you. The law is a big tent. There are a lot of ways to go.
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Congrats and good luck finding a school and an area of law that interests you. And oh....don;t ever grow up completely!!
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my advice on law school is: make sure you want to be there. Not just in school, make sure you want to be in law school.

I saw lots of classmates drop by the wayside when they figured out they didn't really want to be there. If you don't want it, it will be the three (or less) most miserable years of your life.
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my advice on law school is: make sure you want to be there. Not just in school, make sure you want to be in law school.

I saw lots of classmates drop by the wayside when they figured out they didn't really want to be there. If you don't want it, it will be the three (or less) most miserable years of your life.
+1 What he said.
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my advice on law school is: make sure you want to be there. Not just in school, make sure you want to be in law school.

I saw lots of classmates drop by the wayside when they figured out they didn't really want to be there. If you don't want it, it will be the three (or less) most miserable years of your life.
Give GamecockTaco a kewpie doll. As for growing up and becoming a responsible adult, it is vastly overrated. It tends to beat the alternatives, however, unless you are prepared to get by with a heck of lot less stuff that most Americans.

As for law school, I never met one that interviewed applicants. They should, but unless things have really changed, they don't.

Let me make explicit something that GamecockTaco hints at: law school is not at all like your undergrad experience. The fundamental difference is that getting an undergraduate degree is about expanding your horizons, learning something about the world beyond your previous horizons (at least ti shoud be, IMHO), while law school is a white-collar trade school. Most law schools will never in a million years cop to that, but it is true. Personally, I found most of what I studied as an undergrad to be interesting: even of the prof was dull as dirt or the reading turgid, the subject matter itself held some interest. I found in law school that there is very little about the law that is inherently interesting. IN application, it can fascinating, but in the vacuum of a classroom, boooo-ring. At least that's what I thought. You may find studyiung about the law to be intellectually stimulating. But be aware that, if you loved your undergraduate classes, that does not mean that you will love your law school classes. They are very different animals.

Now here is a hard truth, and I apologize in advance for raining on your parade. The schools you are applying to are not exactly top-tier. What that means is that you will be at significant disavantage in finding a job compared to graduates of the top national and regional schools. For pratical purposes, that means that you will be under a hell of a lot of stress for three years trying to perform at or very near to the top of your class in order to get yourself on the radar screen of the people who hire the newly minted law school grads for the most desireable jobs that actually pay a living salary. If you have a relative who is prepared to bring you into their firm when you graduate, then you can disregard what I just said. If you are planning to hang out your own shingle when you graduate, then you have far bigger cojones that I ever did, because when you graduate from lawe school, you are walking malpractice.

Understand that I am not describing the way I think things ought to be, but the way things are. And I am not saying you ahould not go to law school. I am saying that you should think long and hard about doing so, because it ain't cheap. Having gone to law school (one of the top nationally-ranked ones) and having practiced now for 20 years only to figure out that I really do not like what I do for a living (and having that have some seriously negative consequences in my life), I would far rather see you think this through now, at the risk of sounding like a killjoy or a snob (I'm not, but you have no reason to believe me, I suppose) than to see you walk into law school under misconceptions about what to expect.

Along with Siu Blue Wind, I wish for you that your dreams come true. But I would also caution you to be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.

And don't even get me started on the bar exam . . . .
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Give GamecockTaco a kewpie doll. As for growing up and becoming a responsible adult, it is vastly overrated. It tends to beat the alternatives, however, unless you are prepared to get by with a heck of lot less stuff that most Americans.

As for law school, I never met one that interviewed applicants. They should, but unless things have really changed, they don't.

Let me make explicit something that GamecockTaco hints at: law school is not at all like your undergrad experience. The fundamental difference is that getting an undergraduate degree is about expanding your horizons, learning something about the world beyond your previous horizons (at least ti shoud be, IMHO), while law school is a white-collar trade school. Most law schools will never in a million years cop to that, but it is true. Personally, I found most of what I studied as an undergrad to be interesting: even of the prof was dull as dirt or the reading turgid, the subject matter itself held some interest. I found in law school that there is very little about the law that is inherently interesting. IN application, it can fascinating, but in the vacuum of a classroom, boooo-ring. At least that's what I thought. You may find studyiung about the law to be intellectually stimulating. But be aware that, if you loved your undergraduate classes, that does not mean that you will love your law school classes. They are very different animals.

I agree, law school is more of an endurance test. Also, the Socratic method is a bunch of BS and unlike anything experienced in undergrad.

Understand that I am not describing the way I think things ought to be, but the way things are. And I am not saying you ahould not go to law school. I am saying that you should think long and hard about doing so, because it ain't cheap. Having gone to law school (one of the top nationally-ranked ones) and having practiced now for 20 years only to figure out that I really do not like what I do for a living (and having that have some seriously negative consequences in my life), I would far rather see you think this through now, at the risk of sounding like a killjoy or a snob (I'm not, but you have no reason to believe me, I suppose) than to see you walk into law school under misconceptions about what to expect.

Along with Siu Blue Wind, I wish for you that your dreams come true. But I would also caution you to be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.

And don't even get me started on the bar exam . . . .


+1. There are many, many unhappy practicing lawyers. Talk to as many as you can in different fields (litigators, corporate, tax, etc...) and learn what they do on a daily basis. I would also recommend a book called "What can you do with a law degree" (cant remember the author). It is geared toward lawyers looking to change careers but it has good info for someone in your position. Too many folks go to law school with idealized expectations only to be disappointed. I think all of who have offered advice just want you to go in with your eyes open. Good luck to you.
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Most of the grads out of law school end up doing tax audits and other extremely fun projects when they get hired on by some big firm. Closing mortgages, doing stuff you thought paralegals were hired to do, sending letters to the IRS, SS, somebody's insurance company. Defending speeders and drunks. Title searches, now there's an eye opener.

Negotiating that mega merger deal or shutting down some evil chemical plant only happens to the select few.

Unless you become a divorce lawyer. Then things might get interesting.
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First congrats and yes become a lawyer . I should have done this myself but schooling is just too much money when your supporting yourself and paying your own way through!!!
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First congrats and yes become a lawyer . I should have done this myself but schooling is just too much money when your supporting yourself and paying your own way through!!!
...Which is a whole 'nother problem we need to solve.
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We?? Society do you mean??
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We pay for public education thru grade 12...why not for public education thru grade 16 (tuition only)?
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bikingshearer raises some good points (except I wouldn't necessarily characterize law school as a "trade school" since it doesn't focus on job-specific training).

Read his(?) post several times.
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Yeah thats a nice thought.

I think people just need to know if their parents are paying for college that they are very fortunate!!!

I paid for all my schooling myself and still am paying.
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haha well i'm not REALLY grown up. i mean, Im sitting here watching cartoons on tv and couldnt be happier...i guess my first post was supposed to be more bummed out. b/c i dont want to grow up
well I dont have any advice,but I wanted to drop by and say good luck
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Well I know that I'm not a regular fooster, but I thought I'd drop in, mostly because my roommates are all younger or less responsible. ANYWAY, my last law school application goes out tomorrow! I'm applying to American, Northeastern, and University of Richmond (VA). AND I've got applications in with a few different places in case I don't get into law school or if I opt to take some time off. Does anyone have any advice/experience with law school and/or professional job interviews?

Well, now that I'm all grown up, it's time to eat some bag-brand Crunch Berries
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Good luck to you, I hope all your dreams come true!!
Wasn't that like the lyrics to the theme from Laverne and Shirley or something?
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