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Old 01-22-07, 08:47 PM   #1
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Arg I'm a horrible runner...

I can bike for hundreds of miles but I can't even hit a half marathon. Hell I can't even run more than 10mph for extended periods of time. Plus my knees and ankles hurt when I'm on flat ground so I end up running at like 10-12 degrees and end up doing 1000ft of climb for a few measely miles when technically, at my aerobic level, I should be hitting 10mph for like, a 1/4th marathon, or at least 8-9mph for a half marathon.

Any cyclists out there find it much easier running uphill? My gf thinks it's because the motion has more in common with cycling than running on flat ground.
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I have crappy knees from my days of running track in HS. When I used to run 20 years ago, it was easier and less painful on my knees to run (and even walk) uphill. Downhill was a real PITA.

Now, I prefer to cycle to save the knees. I'm gettin' Speedplay X/2's with the new roadbike.
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Me too. It less agravates my ankles, feet, knees while running uphill.

One of my legs is a little longer than the other, and I'm supposed to have sole inserts for my feet which I don't use. So running hurts for me. I used to run cross country in high school.
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Me too. It less agravates my ankles, feet, knees while running uphill.

One of my legs is a little longer than the other, and I'm supposed to have sole inserts for my feet which I don't use. So running hurts for me. I used to run cross country in high school.
Hm. The crosscountry runner becomes a MTB'er. The track runner becomes a road cyclist. Wonder if there's a correlation?
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Had same experience earlier this fall. Running up hill is more like mashing / low cadence hill riding. Running down hill involves catching your momentum, which is not similar to riding at all.
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Hm. The crosscountry runner becomes a MTB'er. The track runner becomes a road cyclist. Wonder if there's a correlation?
There is. Running sucks for everyone, mtbiking is fun for everyone....and road biking is for people who can't do mtb anymore. There you have it.
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running is for people who don't own bikes
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What'd you expect? Lance is a sucky runner too. *Waaahhh...the NYC marathon was harder than the worst day of the worst TdF. Waaaahhhh*
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I've been running a couple of days a week. I go trail running on Sundays, it's much more fun than running on the road.
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I'm getting very good at running. It just takes time. There is no way to do it fast. Especially if your teenage years have passed you by and/or you are overweight.

The thing with pain is that its an indication that you need to do less. I started out only running a mile at a time because my shins would hurt so badly if I did more that I would buckle over in pain. Thats natures way of telling you to ease into it.
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Hm. The crosscountry runner becomes a MTB'er. The track runner becomes a road cyclist. Wonder if there's a correlation?
I did both CC and Track, but I have yet to cross over to the dark side of cycling called Road Biking.

Since I started biking, running has always seemed pretty lame. I would always be sore after runs and would pull muscles and stuff. However, I've been running a couple times lately, and it wasn't as bad as normal. I think I might try to get back into running this spring and do some races. Cross Country races were soooo fun in high school.
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I've been out running three times in the past week after basically not running since last spring.

It seems like I'm able to motor up the hills faster than I used. It feels like there is a carry over from bicycle climbing.

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Had same experience earlier this fall. Running up hill is more like mashing / low cadence hill riding. Running down hill involves catching your momentum, which is not similar to riding at all.
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I did both CC and Track, but I have yet to cross over to the dark side of cycling called Road Biking.

Since I started biking, running has always seemed pretty lame. I would always be sore after runs and would pull muscles and stuff. However, I've been running a couple times lately, and it wasn't as bad as normal. I think I might try to get back into running this spring and do some races. Cross Country races were soooo fun in high school.
Cross country was never fun.

Run a mile just to warm up!! wtf!!!

Then jog for 2 hours.

Then a mile to cool down. Freakin' crazy. I now run 2 miles just to get a work out.
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Old 01-23-07, 05:24 AM   #15
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i can run far enough to finish a sprint distance tri,(3 miles) i enjoy the swimming and biking enough to suffer through the run
maybe with more training it would not be as bad
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Old 01-23-07, 07:08 AM   #16
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Wimps!

I use to run 100 mile weeks for base training in preparation for a marathon. Try that at your, as Lydiard put it, "best aerobic pace".

I'm the Marylander in this article (3rd paragraph from the top).

http://www.runningtimes.com/rt/artic...39&page=2&c=85

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From that day on, whereva I went, I was RUNNING!!!

No, really. I did sprinting, hurdles, and other track events back in the day. Couldn't stand more than a few miles of running at a time, so no xc or long distance - I think it had more to do with lousy form (and boredom) than anything else. Hence, I rides me a bike now instead.

I'd love to get in to something bike-related that had the same overall feel as sprinting, but there aren't any velodromes locally. There's just something amazing about 30 seconds of all-out 110% effort that gave me a huge head rush.
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I am absolutely awful at running. I am great at sprinting though. I figure where I am, that is important. Once we were walking down around the river and I saw a very large print of a Jaguar (no kidding - as big as my hand it looked!) and the worker identified it and was surprised I wasn't scared.

I informed him that I wasn't worried. So, he proceeded to explain how dangerous they are, etc, etc. I told him I still wasn't worried. He replied "But Don Fred, why aren't you worried?"

Because I can run faster than you.

They had never heard the joke down here and he thought I was serious. As a matter of fact, I was... I always pick slower people to walk with me. You can never be too safe I always say.
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Old 01-23-07, 07:36 AM   #19
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I can bike for hundreds of miles but I can't even hit a half marathon. Hell I can't even run more than 10mph for extended periods of time. Plus my knees and ankles hurt when I'm on flat ground so I end up running at like 10-12 degrees and end up doing 1000ft of climb for a few measely miles when technically, at my aerobic level, I should be hitting 10mph for like, a 1/4th marathon, or at least 8-9mph for a half marathon.

Any cyclists out there find it much easier running uphill? My gf thinks it's because the motion has more in common with cycling than running on flat ground.
I found it easier running uphill even before I ever was a cyclist!
you know you can trash this advice if you want but here's my point of view.
Your chances of succeeding running a marathon will increase if you drop that threadmill and hit the road.
It's the same as when you train on a trainer to replace riding outside, it will help not losing your muscles in your legs and help with your cardio but you know that it will never really substitute from riding outside, same with the threadmill.... the impact on the threadmill when you run is very different from when you hit the pavement.And you will find that your time will be off, any runner will tell you that you run faster outside then on the threadmill, I run an 8 minutes mile and when I hit the threadmill I run a 9 minutes miles.
You will get faster if you train outside and what will definitly make you faster are sprints, go as fast as you can for a couple minutes and then return to your normal pace for a few and then do it again, it's amazing how must you can improve with speed if you keep this regiment at least 2 to 3 times a week in your training run.
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You will get faster if you train outside and what will definitly make you faster are sprints, go as fast as you can for a couple minutes and then return to your normal pace for a few and then do it again, it's amazing how must you can improve with speed if you keep this regiment at least 2 to 3 times a week in your training run.
+1, this is exactly what I did... until I broke something in my knee. Rehab was done on a bike. I'm back to 'normal' now, but have become lazy and only run when I can't cycle.
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I've been running a couple of days a week. I go trail running on Sundays, it's much more fun than running on the road.
This is true and it can save your knees as well. If I were to start running again, I start on a cushy trail; one with a pine needle bed.
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it ain't important if you're not any good at it


what's important is if you look good doing it
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what's important is if you look good doing it
I don't. I look stupid running.
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Hm. The crosscountry runner becomes a MTB'er. The track runner becomes a road cyclist. Wonder if there's a correlation?
I hate running, I hated running and I became a mtber. Gives me massive shin splints, bad ankles etc not to mention, similar to riding a road bike, I ended up falling asleep from boredom within 15 minutes.

Now spriting..yehaw, that was more my cup of tea. I used to love wind sprint training for football....hmm pain and puking.
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I actually have a couple sick friends who I train with running who say they love it when we get to the part where we pushed so hard they feel like pucking..
yeah.. lunatics are the best!
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