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Old 02-08-07, 03:36 PM   #1
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the little lies and mistruths wear me down sometimes...

i guess this is just how internet forums work, but i get tired sometimes of reading post after post where someone takes an authoritative tone on something they know little or nothing about it. i'm not talking about any one particular person or forum, but it just happens a lot across the board.

i just don't get it. is it a basic desire to sound intelligent or just to be part of the discussion? some of the advice here is just plain wrong and they will still argue over it. what a colossal waste of effort.

is it so difficult to just say, "i'm not sure" when you're really not sure of something? are people so desperate to prove a point that they don't even care if it's a valid point or not?
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yes. That's exactly how it works. I hate to say it but at least 95% of P&R is about how much you can make your BS shine more than any actual debate. I'm sorry, but condescending rhetoric does not qualify as debate in my book.
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There are people who are in to hobbies, and then there are people who are in to internet forums about hobbies. I've found that the two groups have little overlap.

Me? I'm in to . . . um, well . . . . I better not say.
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Old 02-08-07, 03:48 PM   #5
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There are people who are in to hobbies, and then there are people who are in to internet forums about hobbies. I've found that the two groups have little overlap.

Me? I'm in to . . . um, well . . . . I better not say.
I'm the overlap. I'm into cycling, trombone, and autocross, and I'm on forums for them all.
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I'm the overlap. I'm into cycling, trombone, and autocross, and I'm on forums for them all.
OMG I just saw your avatar!!!!
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I hear that some things are good through the wash, and others aren't. . .
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It's a reflection of life as I've experienced it. This is particularly true if you are male. And, I don't know for sure, but I suspect it might even be more true for those of us who are over the age of, say, fifty. When I was a child in grammar school, I can remember teachers explaining something to us and then asking, "Now who still doesn't understand?" Who's going to say "Yes" to that?
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yes. That's exactly how it works. I hate to say it but at least 95% of P&R is about how much you can make your BS shine more than any actual debate. I'm sorry, but condescending rhetoric does not qualify as debate in my book.
yeah, and then there is that as well. condescending or nitpicking over semantics, grammar, or whatever. those debates can be easily summed up as:

debater 1: "you're stupid"

debater 2: "no i'm not, you're a stupid head!".

then a third person, say a masterdebater, finishes it off by saying "i think you're all very stupid".

wow, good debate guys!!
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Sounds like you could use a Foo break. P & R and Road Cycling are hotbeds of questionable assertions.
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yeah, and then there is that as well. condescending or nitpicking over semantics, grammar, or whatever. those debates can be easily summed up as:

debater 1: "you're stupid"

debater 2: "no i'm not, you're a stupid head!".

then a third person, say a masterdebater, finishes it off by saying "i think you're all very stupid".

wow, good debate guys!!
Then if you try to use logic and reason, often you get rained on from all sides!
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Old 02-08-07, 05:57 PM   #14
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Sounds like you could use a Foo break. P & R and Road Cycling are hotbeds of questionable assertions.
Toss in a little A & S for good measure too.
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Hell...come over to fixed gear and argue about nothing, debate the sun's warmth and whatever else makes sense( it's teh counter"culture", baby). That'll get your day started right!

Arguments can fe cathartic, funny, and you might even learn something. But to be contrarian is to lack both imagination and independant thoughts.
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A&S is where I go to complain about bad drivers. Commuting is where I rip it up with the others. P&R is where I go to learn new insults.
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yeah, and then there is that as well. condescending or nitpicking over semantics, grammar, or whatever. those debates can be easily summed up as:

debater 1: "you're stupid"

debater 2: "no i'm not, you're a stupid head!".

then a third person, say a masterdebater, finishes it off by saying "i think you're all very stupid".

wow, good debate guys!!
my very own personal pet peeve, people who add nothing to a conversation but grammar spelling check.
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i guess this is just how internet forums work, but i get tired sometimes of reading post after post where someone takes an authoritative tone on something they know little or nothing about it. i'm not talking about any one particular person or forum, but it just happens a lot across the board.

i just don't get it. is it a basic desire to sound intelligent or just to be part of the discussion? some of the advice here is just plain wrong and they will still argue over it. what a colossal waste of effort.

is it so difficult to just say, "i'm not sure" when you're really not sure of something? are people so desperate to prove a point that they don't even care if it's a valid point or not?
I'm absolutely sure you're wrong on that one.
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I'm absolutely sure you're wrong on that one.

Hey. I'M the expert here. He's definitely wrong.
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i guess this is just how internet forums work, but i get tired sometimes of reading post after post where someone takes an authoritative tone on something they know little or nothing about it. i'm not talking about any one particular person or forum, but it just happens a lot across the board.

i just don't get it. is it a basic desire to sound intelligent or just to be part of the discussion? some of the advice here is just plain wrong and they will still argue over it. what a colossal waste of effort.

is it so difficult to just say, "i'm not sure" when you're really not sure of something? are people so desperate to prove a point that they don't even care if it's a valid point or not?
I hear ya, "raises water glass".
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yes. That's exactly how it works. I hate to say it but at least 95% of P&R is about how much you can make your BS shine more than any actual debate. I'm sorry, but condescending rhetoric does not qualify as debate in my book.
95% of getting through life is BS, and the people that are really really good at it make WAY too much money & aren't any smarter than the rest of us.

That being said, one of the reasons I like taking my kid to MTB races is that 95% of the people there put the BS aside.
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werd. I don't doubt that, but how do you have an intellectual conversation if your facts are pulled straight out of your ass?
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i guess this is just how internet forums work, but i get tired sometimes of reading post after post where someone takes an authoritative tone on something they know little or nothing about it. i'm not talking about any one particular person or forum, but it just happens a lot across the board.

i just don't get it. is it a basic desire to sound intelligent or just to be part of the discussion? some of the advice here is just plain wrong and they will still argue over it. what a colossal waste of effort.

is it so difficult to just say, "i'm not sure" when you're really not sure of something? are people so desperate to prove a point that they don't even care if it's a valid point or not?
I'm not a 100% sure i understand your beef, but i get the part about the authoritarians. There seems to be a human need to be smarter than everyone else. The internets are apparently a great place to try and create that illusion.
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I can authoritatively say, without a doubt and with expert credentials.... yes.
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BDG, you're getting better...but you forgot to capitalize the first letter of the first word in that sentence.
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