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    the little lies and mistruths wear me down sometimes...

    i guess this is just how internet forums work, but i get tired sometimes of reading post after post where someone takes an authoritative tone on something they know little or nothing about it. i'm not talking about any one particular person or forum, but it just happens a lot across the board.

    i just don't get it. is it a basic desire to sound intelligent or just to be part of the discussion? some of the advice here is just plain wrong and they will still argue over it. what a colossal waste of effort.

    is it so difficult to just say, "i'm not sure" when you're really not sure of something? are people so desperate to prove a point that they don't even care if it's a valid point or not?

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    yes. That's exactly how it works. I hate to say it but at least 95% of P&R is about how much you can make your BS shine more than any actual debate. I'm sorry, but condescending rhetoric does not qualify as debate in my book.
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    There are people who are in to hobbies, and then there are people who are in to internet forums about hobbies. I've found that the two groups have little overlap.

    Me? I'm in to . . . um, well . . . . I better not say.
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    Sorry if I stepped on your toes!! I'll be good I promise or you can.............. well nevermind!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaabFan
    There are people who are in to hobbies, and then there are people who are in to internet forums about hobbies. I've found that the two groups have little overlap.

    Me? I'm in to . . . um, well . . . . I better not say.
    I'm the overlap. I'm into cycling, trombone, and autocross, and I'm on forums for them all.
    Quote Originally Posted by TechKnowGN
    San Jose has to be the most boring place I've ever been. And I live in Ohio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falkon
    I'm the overlap. I'm into cycling, trombone, and autocross, and I'm on forums for them all.
    OMG I just saw your avatar!!!!
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    I hear the dog's gay. . .
    Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaabFan
    I hear the dog's gay. . .
    I hear Chipcom likes to hump anything that moves, and some things that don't. . .

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    I hear that some things are good through the wash, and others aren't. . .
    Q: How many surrealists does it take to change a light bulb?
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    It's a reflection of life as I've experienced it. This is particularly true if you are male. And, I don't know for sure, but I suspect it might even be more true for those of us who are over the age of, say, fifty. When I was a child in grammar school, I can remember teachers explaining something to us and then asking, "Now who still doesn't understand?" Who's going to say "Yes" to that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falkon
    yes. That's exactly how it works. I hate to say it but at least 95% of P&R is about how much you can make your BS shine more than any actual debate. I'm sorry, but condescending rhetoric does not qualify as debate in my book.
    yeah, and then there is that as well. condescending or nitpicking over semantics, grammar, or whatever. those debates can be easily summed up as:

    debater 1: "you're stupid"

    debater 2: "no i'm not, you're a stupid head!".

    then a third person, say a masterdebater, finishes it off by saying "i think you're all very stupid".

    wow, good debate guys!!

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    Sounds like you could use a Foo break. P & R and Road Cycling are hotbeds of questionable assertions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    yeah, and then there is that as well. condescending or nitpicking over semantics, grammar, or whatever. those debates can be easily summed up as:

    debater 1: "you're stupid"

    debater 2: "no i'm not, you're a stupid head!".

    then a third person, say a masterdebater, finishes it off by saying "i think you're all very stupid".

    wow, good debate guys!!
    Then if you try to use logic and reason, often you get rained on from all sides!
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    Quote Originally Posted by USAZorro
    Sounds like you could use a Foo break. P & R and Road Cycling are hotbeds of questionable assertions.
    Toss in a little A & S for good measure too.

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    Hell...come over to fixed gear and argue about nothing, debate the sun's warmth and whatever else makes sense( it's teh counter"culture", baby). That'll get your day started right!

    Arguments can fe cathartic, funny, and you might even learn something. But to be contrarian is to lack both imagination and independant thoughts.
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    A&S is where I go to complain about bad drivers. Commuting is where I rip it up with the others. P&R is where I go to learn new insults.
    Quote Originally Posted by TechKnowGN
    San Jose has to be the most boring place I've ever been. And I live in Ohio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    yeah, and then there is that as well. condescending or nitpicking over semantics, grammar, or whatever. those debates can be easily summed up as:

    debater 1: "you're stupid"

    debater 2: "no i'm not, you're a stupid head!".

    then a third person, say a masterdebater, finishes it off by saying "i think you're all very stupid".

    wow, good debate guys!!
    my very own personal pet peeve, people who add nothing to a conversation but grammar spelling check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    i guess this is just how internet forums work, but i get tired sometimes of reading post after post where someone takes an authoritative tone on something they know little or nothing about it. i'm not talking about any one particular person or forum, but it just happens a lot across the board.

    i just don't get it. is it a basic desire to sound intelligent or just to be part of the discussion? some of the advice here is just plain wrong and they will still argue over it. what a colossal waste of effort.

    is it so difficult to just say, "i'm not sure" when you're really not sure of something? are people so desperate to prove a point that they don't even care if it's a valid point or not?
    I'm absolutely sure you're wrong on that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slvoid
    I'm absolutely sure you're wrong on that one.

    Hey. I'M the expert here. He's definitely wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    i guess this is just how internet forums work, but i get tired sometimes of reading post after post where someone takes an authoritative tone on something they know little or nothing about it. i'm not talking about any one particular person or forum, but it just happens a lot across the board.

    i just don't get it. is it a basic desire to sound intelligent or just to be part of the discussion? some of the advice here is just plain wrong and they will still argue over it. what a colossal waste of effort.

    is it so difficult to just say, "i'm not sure" when you're really not sure of something? are people so desperate to prove a point that they don't even care if it's a valid point or not?
    I hear ya, "raises water glass".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Falkon
    yes. That's exactly how it works. I hate to say it but at least 95% of P&R is about how much you can make your BS shine more than any actual debate. I'm sorry, but condescending rhetoric does not qualify as debate in my book.
    95% of getting through life is BS, and the people that are really really good at it make WAY too much money & aren't any smarter than the rest of us.

    That being said, one of the reasons I like taking my kid to MTB races is that 95% of the people there put the BS aside.
    As with mud, life, too, slides by.

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    werd. I don't doubt that, but how do you have an intellectual conversation if your facts are pulled straight out of your ass?
    Quote Originally Posted by TechKnowGN
    San Jose has to be the most boring place I've ever been. And I live in Ohio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timmhaan
    i guess this is just how internet forums work, but i get tired sometimes of reading post after post where someone takes an authoritative tone on something they know little or nothing about it. i'm not talking about any one particular person or forum, but it just happens a lot across the board.

    i just don't get it. is it a basic desire to sound intelligent or just to be part of the discussion? some of the advice here is just plain wrong and they will still argue over it. what a colossal waste of effort.

    is it so difficult to just say, "i'm not sure" when you're really not sure of something? are people so desperate to prove a point that they don't even care if it's a valid point or not?
    I'm not a 100% sure i understand your beef, but i get the part about the authoritarians. There seems to be a human need to be smarter than everyone else. The internets are apparently a great place to try and create that illusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taerom
    I hear Chipcom likes to hump anything that moves, and some things that don't. . .
    I can authoritatively say, without a doubt and with expert credentials.... yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blonduathlongrl
    my very own personal pet peeve, people who add nothing to a conversation but grammar spelling check.
    BDG, you're getting better...but you forgot to capitalize the first letter of the first word in that sentence.
    NO SOUP FOR YOU!
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