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Old 03-14-07, 04:05 PM   #1
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Buying LCD, should I go bestbuy?

Having sold off some crap, I have some money to buy my widescreen LCD monitor at last. As usual, the first place I check is eBay of course. I am only looking for NIB stuff, and the deals are pretty good for the 22". A friend of mine says that I should buy from Bestbuy or a place of the like, because I can supposedly open up the boxes and look for dead pixels. I can return the monitor if need be, with little hassle. I've never encountered dead pixels, so I don't know how prominent they are.
Is this actually a serious problem, and worth the extra cost from going to bestbuy?
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Old 03-14-07, 04:18 PM   #2
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I have purchased hundreds of monitors and have not encountered dead pixels yet. One dead monitor but that was in transit.
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Old 03-14-07, 04:21 PM   #3
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I would check here first:

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_a...hp/page_id=37/

http://compare-prices.tomshardware.com/

Then you can decide your best approach. I have typically gotten better deals online, and bought from places that let you return any monitor you don't like. A lot of these guys have free shipping and replacement shipping options.

The other place to keep in mind is Walmart. I found the exact monitor that I was going to buy online available there at the same price, and that was still about 25% cheaper than it was priced at Best Buy.
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I have purchased hundreds of monitors and have not encountered dead pixels yet. One dead monitor but that was in transit.
That's what my instincts told me as well. I think that in this day and age, where LCD's outsell CRT's now, they have the dead pixel issue under control. Plus, I am going to buying a reputable brand like Dell or Viewsonic (though I'm sure there are plenty of strong opinions about both!).
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Well, I don't buy from Walmart regardless of the price. I typically go for the lowest bidder, but theres a point at which what I will and will not support kicks in.
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I've only encountered dead pixels on LCD monitors made prior to 2002-2003.

I've looked at a lot of the 22" models as I'm about to buy one myself and it seems the complaints on the "slightly better" brands like Dell, Samsung, etc are the same as the ones on the Acers (bleed through, crappy stand, faulty DVI's). As of now, I don't see a real advantage to buying a Dell (the cheap 22" monitor anyway, doesn't apply to any others) the quality, features, and stuff like contrast ratio aren't any better, and Ive been happy with my 20" Acer...

Note: the price range I'm talking about is about 280 to 380...
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Try Costco, you can return it even after the manufacturer's warranty has run out...
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Try Costco, you can return it even after the manufacturer's warranty has run out...
True, the best price I've seen on the 22" Sceptre is at cost co

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product...opnav=&browse=
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The last LCD I have had with even 1-2 dead pixels was the display on a Thinkpad 365XD [1] I bought in 1997, which other than that, worked 24/7 as a Linux firewall box until I retired it last year.

[1]: Even though it was a midrange laptop, the laptop was built like a tank, working absolutely flawlessly for nearly a decade with uptimes of years, until its battery died, then it was put on a UPS. I wish more laptops were made like that.
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Old 03-14-07, 04:57 PM   #10
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I bought my 22" Viewsonic at Office Depot. It was $400 when I bought it, and according to my co-worker it was cheaper when he bought his.
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I second CostCo.
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I was actually looking at this one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Acer-AL2216W-Bla...QQcmdZViewItem
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I would get it from Costco, but they are not longer in my area. Several years ago (9 or 10 probably), there used to be a good sized Costco here. But, they closed down that one and turned it into a home cheapo
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Oh,
is the DVI worth using? My graphic card supports it, I guess I might as well.
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I would get it from Costco, but they are not longer in my area. Several years ago (9 or 10 probably), there used to be a good sized Costco here. But, they closed down that one and turned it into a home cheapo
Only costs $8 to ship that Spectre LCD...

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is the DVI worth using? My graphic card supports it, I guess I might as well.
You should ONLY use DVI with resolutions higher than 1280x1024. Things get a little fuzzy above that using the analogue VGA connector...

Also be aware of the required DVI video signal & connector. DVI-D is single-link 18-pin and typically is for lower-resolution displays. At 20" and above 1280x1024, you need a DVI-L dual-link 24-pin video-card to get the higher-resolutions...

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Only costs $8 to ship that Spectre LCD...

You should ONLY use DVI with resolutions higher than 1280x1024. Things get a little fuzzy above that using the analogue VGA connector...

Also be aware of the required DVI video signal & connector. DVI-D is single-link 18-pin and typically is for lower-resolution displays. At 20" and above 1280x1024, you need a DVI-L dual-link 24-pin video-card to get the higher-resolutions...
Okay, I just counted the # of pins on the DVI output of my graphic card, there are 24. 3 rows of 8
Should be all set then? Do these monitors typically come with the DVI cables? I don't have any on hand, and want to be able to plug in as soon as I get it and go.
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Wow, I can get a this one for 260 and free shipping:
http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/st...P2000:CL142218

And the reviews look great!
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Okay, I just counted the # of pins on the DVI output of my graphic card, there are 24. 3 rows of 8
Should be all set then? Do these monitors typically come with the DVI cables? I don't have any on hand, and want to be able to plug in as soon as I get it and go.
All the monitors I've opened up have had them.
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Wow, I can get a this one for 260 and free shipping:
http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/st...P2000:CL142218

And the reviews look great!
Nice find, thats the cheapest I've seen it at. Free shipping too, I might pick one up.
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Okay, I just counted the # of pins on the DVI output of my graphic card, there are 24. 3 rows of 8
Should be all set then? Do these monitors typically come with the DVI cables? I don't have any on hand, and want to be able to plug in as soon as I get it and go.
Are there actual metal-pins in all 24-holes? The connector itself has 24-openings, but DVI-D don't have any electrical pins in there. What model video-card? We can look up the specs.
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It's a Gigabyte graphic card, with a radeon 9200 inside, 128MB. It looks like there's pins in each one.
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Old 03-14-07, 06:20 PM   #23
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Newegg............

Another place to check is Newegg.

www.newegg.com

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Old 03-14-07, 09:55 PM   #24
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Newegg has great prices, and most of the monitors have quite a few reviews submitted. LCD's tend to be pretty similar. Most common complaints are dead pixels, backlight bleed, dull colors, narrower than advertised viewing angles, and blacks that aren't as black as they should be, so those are things to keep in mind. Make sure it has a high brightness (300+), high contrast (700:1 or higher) and a high refresh rate (5 ms is typical for the cheaper ones, 16 ms for the nicer ones...only because the nicer panels use a clearer, but slower technology).

I have a Dell 20", which is basically the same as they're 22" (on sale for $296 right now, I think shipping is free). I'm pretty happy with it. No dead pixels. Blacks are mediocre and viewing angle isn't quite as good as I hoped, but colors are great and backlight bleed is only noticeable when I'm looking for it at the top and bottom of the screen.

I believe Newegg will take a return on any monitor with more than 3 dead or stuck pixels. I think Dell will replace for 1 dead pixel.
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Do not worry about dead pixels
http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Stuck-P...an-LCD-Monitor
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